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Re: [ds] Ogres

From: Kenneth Winland <kwinland@c...>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:54:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [ds] Ogres


On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 wrote:

> I was under the impression that it was the Army not the USMC who first
put the
> telephone boxes on tanks. I no longer have it, but  USMC Lt. Col.
> Alexander wrote a book about 3 years ago called "Utmost Savagery"
about the
> 1943 Tarawa campaign. If I remember correctly, one of the problems the
> had was infantry/armor coordination. By this point in the was the
Army, based
> on leasons learned in North Africa and Italy had tried to solve this
> by using the telephone boxes. The other thing of course was to train
tanks and
> infantry to fight as a team and be sensitive to each others concerns
> tactical limitations. 

	Ahhh...  I had read about the Marine dilemma concerning
infantry/armour coordination, and the advent of the telephone box at the
rear of the tank.  I had assumed that the Marines innovated this rather
than adapt it from another branch.  Interesting!

> There were even "leasons learned" monographs published and distributed
> throughout the ETO containing this type of information. For some
reason, it
> never made it to the Pacific in time for the first of the big "Storm
> on Tarawa. By Iwo Jima, though, these leasons were learned and
incorporated in
> to tactical doctrine.

	VERY neat!

> I wonder if these leasons will need to be relearned in a
> universe full of GEV's, Hover Tanks and Power suited infantry. Anyone
> combined arms doctrine changes to take into account all this new
fangled Sci-
> Fi technology ?    

	Man, that is a WHOLE can o' worms...

	Based on SG over the last few years, tanks don't seem TOO much
different from doctrine today.	Powered infantry is nasty (mobility AND
lethality) and seems to call into question new tactics for dealing with
them, as you can't just treat them as "normal" grunts.	Some vehicles
shake things up to.  Infantry walker with size 2 plasma weapons all of a
sudden have a *nasty* anti-armour punch, and pretty good mobility...



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