Re: [GZG] Slightly OT - Hypothetical weapon question

At 8:20 AM -0600 10/30/08, Ryan Fisk wrote:
>
>In gelatin.  I am unaware of any firearms round designed for firing
>through water from air, though I understand some special forces have
>firearms (and rounds) designed for underwater use, I'm not aware of
>any that are designed for shooting through water after being fired
>above it.  This is more a statement of my ignorance of such things
>than of their non-existence, but I try to be well-read.

Through water, no, but what were the rounds used on Japanese and German
shipping by US B25s and Bristol Beaufighters? That seemed to do RATHER
well at riddling them with holes and otherwise making life horrible for
the Axis crews. Sinking from the Rockets and Machine guns. The Mosquitos
of RAF Bomber and Coastal Commands also did rather well against German E
Boats.
>
>gelatin != water  (and, gelatin != reality, but it's the best we have
>short of shooting living beings in tightly controlled scientific
>experiments, something frowned upon nowadays)
>
>You can't generalize the gelatin results to behavior in water.  There
>may be some correlation, but that's just speculation.

No, but I can point out that .50 is still used in anti-shipping and it
was effective in WWII in Anti-shippong purposes. If it were found
wanting, it would have been replaced with larger pedestal mount cannons
for close ship security with more optimized ammunition (there are PLENTY
of Oerlikon guns and mounts with roughly the same size as the .50s. It
has not.

the point of the Gelatin test was to observe that two apparently similar
NATO 5.56 loads behaved in extremely different ways under VERY similar
circumstances.
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