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Re: [GZG] Grossly Off-topic ANZAC Whining, was Re: [OFFICIAL] GZG: FREEBIE OFFER FOR BFPO/APO TROOPS!

From: "Owen Glover" <oglover@b...>
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:28:36 +1000
Subject: Re: [GZG] Grossly Off-topic ANZAC Whining, was Re: [OFFICIAL] GZG: FREEBIE OFFER FOR BFPO/APO TROOPS!

Er, what has this got to do with GZG gaming? If there was left some
comments
for relevance this might be understandable.....

Why the direct obscenity?

I think you should get over yourself......

> -----Original Message-----
> From: gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu 
> [mailto:gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu] On Behalf 
> Of John Atkinson
> Sent: Saturday, 26 July 2008 6:35 PM
> To: gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [GZG] Grossly Off-topic ANZAC Whining,was Re: 
> [OFFICIAL] GZG: FREEBIE OFFER FOR BFPO/APO TROOPS!
> 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Lots of whine, whine, whine.
> 
> OK, you Aussies and Canucks can shut the fuck up now and get 
> over yourselves.
> 
> The US has 150,000 troops in Iraq and 32,000 in Afghanistan, 
> more or less.  The UK has roughly 6,000 but that's changing, 
> plus another 8,500 in Afghanistan.  Georgia (the Republic 
> that most folks couldn't find on a map) has over 2,000 men in Iraq.
> 
> In raw numbers, the Poles (2,300 in Iraq, 1,100 in 
> Afghanistan) are about even with you all combined, are in a 
> more dangerous sector, fight harder, and get far less credit 
> in the American public's eyes or media attention.
> 
> For percentage of your military deployed, you're behind such 
> major powers as Tonga, most of whose Marine Corps guards the 
> al-Faw Palace.
> 
> Canadians. . . pulling your share?  Your military is 
> undersized compared to either your population or your economy 
> (normal for NATO nations other than the US--since we 
> subsidize your national security), and the 2,500 men in 
> Afghanistan is less than the Germans and on a par with the Italians.
> 
> Aussies?  Used to be roughly the same contribution as South 
> Korea, 850 men counting all sorts of support and HQ folks.  
> But all but roughly 300 have been withdrawn as of 02 JUN 08, 
> and what's left are largely headquarters and support folks.  
> 1,100 are in Afghanistan counting air traffic controllers and 
> so forth.
> 
> For comparison, Denmark is smaller than most American states 
> (and some counties in Texas) and has 690 men in Afghanistan.
> 
> As for credit, you don't think you get any?  The only way 
> American Soldiers get noticed is by getting killed or by 
> misbehaving badly enough to get arrested.  The state of your 
> average American's knowledge of actions in Iraq or 
> Afghanistan is pretty minimal.  It is largely formed by older 
> news stories (I needn't cite the studies showing media 
> coverage dropping off in the past two years) which were at 
> best slanted, and at worst utterly fictional.  Case in point 
> would be the so-called "massacre" in Haditha, where as it 
> turns out, the only source used in the initial media 
> reporting was an al-Qaeda in Iraq operative.	The reporter 
> refused to even interview any member of the Marine Corps or 
> visit the base before running the story.  Compare the number 
> of stories run on SFC Paul Smith vs. the number of stories 
> run on some stupid photos of a Reservist prision guard PFC.
> 
> If your nation is fighting for good press in the United 
> State's mainstream media, you need to switch sides and start 
> killing US troops, because that's the only people the MSM 
> really supports.
> 
> John
> -- 
> "Thousands of Sarmatians, Thousands of Franks, we've slain 
> them again and again.  We're looking for thousands of 
> Persians." --Vita Aureliani
> 
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