Re: [GZG] Armoured utility vehicles and IEDs in SG/DS

One of the problems I'd see with these is that, once again, they are
improvised from weapons designed in a very specific way. Take a bullet
out
of a gun and you really don't get much bang from it. So much of a
bullets
effectiveness comes from it being projected down a tightly enclosed
barrel. 

I suppose you could seed the area with buried zip gun rigs. This would
give
the bullets some sort of barrel to shoot out of and preserve some of the
force provided by their powder charge.

-Eli

-----Original Message-----
From: gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
[mailto:gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Adrian1
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:44 AM
To: gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [GZG] Armoured utility vehicles and IEDs in SG/DS

How effective were the Viet Congs booby traps - specifically those that 
used a captured 50 cal bullet buried in the ground while sitting on a 
nail.  I can only imagine that you could carpet an area in these very 
quickly.

Would one of these cause sufficient damage to a vehicle to stop it.

Presumably, its possible to do the same with large rounds like the 25mm 
HE rounds.

Eli Arndt wrote:
> This question is an odd one. Isn't an IED, by its very nature,
improvised.
> If you are designing a device to do the job of an IED, it's not an
IED,
it's
> pretty much a mine or some other form of ED.
>
> IEDs can be effective, but they are the sort of thing used by
militaries
> that either don't have access to or a ready supply of more
conventional
> devices that do the same job. If you are a professional army with
mines,
you
> are unlikely to need or use IEDs.
>
> -Eli
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Robert
> Mayberry
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:14 AM
> To: gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [GZG] Armoured utility vehicles and IEDs in SG/DS
>
> John, what's your view of an IED-like device designed for use by a
> professional army? Would it be any better/different from a
> conventional anti-vehicle mine? By "army" I don't necessarily mean
> technologically advanced, but definitely organized and equipped for a
> conventional war. From your description, it doesn't sound like it has
> any value unless you're a guerilla with lots of imported explosives,
> and even then is pretty counterable.
>
>
>
> On 7/16/08, John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Here's what most people in this conversation aren't tracking.  As
much
>> as you want to put together scenarios that approach or incorporate
>> elements of real-world situations, they make shitty games.  Sorry.
>> Your average IED incident lasts moments, and rarely incoporates
>> anything more than a device and possibly a few secondary devices.  If
>> small arms fire is encountered as part of the attack, you're talking
a
>> handful of jackasses blazing away with unaimed fire from a building
>> far enough away that it can't be positively identified.  It's over in
>> less than a minute, because if they stick around, they end up very,
>> very dead.  We've been killing lots of insurgents for five years, and
>> most of the ones who want to die for Allah already have.  The rest
are
>> linking up with cells capable of putting them behind the wheel of a
>> car loaded with explosives to drive into an Iraqi Police Station or a
>> market full of women and kids.
>>     
>
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