Re: Posleen/HymnB4Battle Figures?

At 11:12 AM -0600 1/24/03, bbrush@unlnotes.unl.edu wrote:
>I've read the Posleen series and I've enjoyed it, but Ringo has made
the
>"weakness" of the God Kings a little too obvious in the last book.

The problem is that the Posleen God Kings aren't stuck in one mode. 
They do adapt. The one's that tracked the LRP team down in the hills 
of N Ga/Western N Carolina are a good example of that.

>Point:  The auto-targeting on the saucers is effective against any
guided
>munitions, as shown by their destruction of the sensor artillery shell
in
>the last book, so SADARM isn't going to work against them.

>Point:  The auto-targeting can't hit regular artillery shells.

I thought it could but only barely. Single rounds were vulnerable.

>Point:  The auto-targeting can hit snipers using  camo and IR blocking
as
>shown in the first book.

IF their signature is discernable from the background. Its a question 
of what the background noise is.

>
>Point:  The auto-targeting could not hit the scout in the last book
after
>he had been hit with an EMP device.

The problem is getting the EMP device on the God King. Any single 
firing object is vulnerable to massive counter fire. Snipers work 
great when they're in a mass of troops. Snipers by themselves usually 
get shredded by the automatic counter fire from the oolts in line of 
sight.

>Therefore the autotargeting is based on electrical signature.	Any
>non-electrical fire control is going to be "invisible" and will rip up
the
>Posleens.

Until it unmasks and the posleen start shooting at it. A mob armed 
with rail guns, missile launchers and flechette guns pretty much 
starts shooting at anything that presents a threat. Sure your sadarm 
fires a round, then the posties shoot back at it.

>So, as one guy suggested in book 3, you get a bunch of old fashioned
>Browning .30's and such and go to town on them.

Huge mass of fire works because you rip through multiple ranks and 
interrupt the firing process they don't see what's hitting them as 
you've just knocked ranks 1, 2, and 3 down in rapid succession. 
PIVADS work pretty well because of the weight of fire.

>Just my deduction based on my reading but I'm guessing that someone
will
>pick up on it in the 4th book.
>
>All in all it's a very good series, but I'm a little disgusted that the
>auto-targetings Achilles heel is made so obvious, yet the good guys
don't
>pick up on it.
>
>Bill
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>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:06:40 -0800 (PST)
>From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Posleen/HymnB4Battle Figures?
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>- --- Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>  The big issue is one of supply and sustaining the
>>  observation for the
>>  artillery. UAVs are toast as soon as they break the
>>  horizon. Single
>>  weapons delivered by artillery are as well. My
>>  understanding is that
>>  you could plaster a posleen force on the ground with
>>  all the
>>  artillery in a corps and run clean out of ammo and
>>  still not get all
>>  of them.
>
>Battery 3.  That's 18 rounds.	1 is SADARM, 17 are
>cheap HE. The God-King buys it, and a couple others
>are dead, but that GK's retinue are also suddendy
>about as combat effective as so many dogs.
>
>John
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>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:13:43 -0800 (PST)
>From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Posleen/HymnB4Battle Figures?
>
>- --- Ryan M Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>  I get the impression that the God Kings are
>>  amazingly numerous. The
>
>Less than 100K.
>
>>  main problem is that the landings pretty much
>>  severed a large portion
>>  of transport capability across the planet making
>>  ground transport
>>  through certain areas and cutting off logistics to
>>  certain types of
>>  munitions.
>
>Preposition loads of 'em everywhere.  That EN BN in
>Fredricksburg (coincidentally, my old National Guard
>unit) should have had a couple hundred on pallets
>waiting for a chance to use 'em.
>
>>  The problem with any possleen force is that they
>>  present a huge
>>  direct fire threat to any unit near them that
>>  unmasks. The foot
>>  troops that are armed with the mass drivers and
>>  other weapons tend to
>>  make MBTs brew pretty fast under a large mass of
>>  fire.
>
>OK, but STAFF and SADARM are OTH threats.  Which
>Posleen can't handle.
>
>>  >Mr. Ringo is an excellent writer, but he's an Light
>>  >Infantryman of 20 years ago and doesn't really grok
>>  >how the modern battlefield works.
>>
>>  Hmm, perhaps you could offer thoughts and ideas?
>>  I've been to several
>>  sit down type book sign-ings with the guy and he's
>>  quite interesting
>>  and personable. Very approachable.
>
>He's not going to adopt an idea that makes his premise
>obsolete.
>
>John
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>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:20:56 -0500
>From: "Laserlight" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
>Subject: Re: Posleen/HymnB4Battle Figures?
>
>>  > >Mr. Ringo is an excellent writer, but he's an Light
>>  > >Infantryman of 20 years ago and doesn't really grok
>>  > >how the modern battlefield works.
>>  >
>>  > Hmm, perhaps you could offer thoughts and ideas?
>>  > I've been to several
>>  > sit down type book sign-ings with the guy and he's
>>  > quite interesting
>>  > and personable. Very approachable.
>>
>>  He's not going to adopt an idea that makes his premise
>>  obsolete.
>
><shrug> You just work it into the next book--along with a Postie
>countermeasure.
>For instance, instead of expending snipers, hook up a cheap video cam
>to one of those automated guns aka manjacks.  Sniper can sit a safe
>distance away and still target the God Kings.
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>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:09:11 +0100
>From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com>
>Subject: Re: Posleen/HymnB4Battle Figures?
>
>John Atkinson wrote:
>
>>Here's the problem with the Posleen:	There are a LOT
>>of non-LOS methods of taking out God-King floaters
>>that would IRL mean that they would be more or less a
>>nuisance, not a force capable of conquering most of
>>the planet.
>
>Exactly *how* good are the Posleen God-Kings in their ZAD role? (I
haven't
>had time to read the books, so I don't know.)
>
>If they're comparable to or better than the THEL (currently under
>development), then any PGM-based ways to kill them are quite seriously
>degraded.
>
>Later,
>
>Oerjan
>oerjan.ohlson@telia.com
>
>"Life is like a sewer.
>   What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it."
>- -Hen3ry
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>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:49:00 -0500
>From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Posleen/HymnB4Battle Figures?
>
>At 7:09 AM +0100 1/24/03, Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
>>
>>Exactly *how* good are the Posleen God-Kings in their ZAD role? (I
>>haven't had time to read the books, so I don't know.)
>
>If an F-18 breaks the horizon, their life span is measured in
>seconds. The posties have direct line of sight KE weapons that will
>slag an Abrams from the front. As the book says, "...the God Kings,
>whose weapons are automatically targeted and frighteningly accurate.
>They;re accurate enough to act as antiaircraft fire against stealth
>fighters, for God's sake."
>
>For something like 500 million Posleen in a force, you'll have nearly
>5000 God Kings.
>
>>If they're comparable to or better than the THEL (currently under
>>development), then any PGM-based ways to kill them are quite
>>seriously degraded.
>
>Additionally, anything the God Kings start firing at, their Oolts
>will start shooting at. "The Posleen three millimeter railguns go
>through Bradleys the long way and about one in ten carry a
>hypervelocity missile launcher, which will take out an Abrams with a
>frontal hit. Wheile they're 'unaimed,' what the term actually means
>is that the weapons don't have sights." "However, the Posleen seem to
>be naturals at firing from the hip."
>
>See http://www.baen.com/library/0671318411/0671318411.htm for the
>first book in the series on line. You can get it in HTML, RTF, Palm
>Rocket Book and MS Reader formats.
>
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