Re: FB designs & fighters

On  6-May-02 at 19:03, Eric Foley (stiltman@teleport.com) wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Books" <books@jumpspace.net>
> To: <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu>
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: FB designs & fighters
> 
> 
> > On	6-May-02 at 07:45, Eric Foley (stiltman@teleport.com) wrote:
> > > Mass 250
> > > Average hull, thrust 2, FTL
> > > 4 Firecons
> > > 4 SMLs, 3 salvoes each
> > > 4 SMRs
> > > 3 Class-3 beams, 3 arcs (spread to front/right/left)
> > > 10 Class-2 beams, 6 arcs
> > > 21 PDS
> 
> > Any decent FSE player would have a reasonable shot against this.  It
> > has so little thrust FSE can't miss with SMs.  You are going to
> > waste most of your SMs trying to hit fast moving and maneuverable
> > ships.
> 
> Against the FSE, there is no combination of ships they can bring at
similar
> cost that can throw enough SMs past 21 PDS to truly bother me before
they
> run out of ammunition, supporting fighters buying a paltry few missile
hits
> with their lives, or both.

21 PDS is a sure kill for three salvo missiles.  If I bring 3 Jerez
cruisers I can drop 6 on you.  They will drop 21 submunitions.	You
will average kills on 16.8 leaving 4.2 for a damage of 14.7.  Add
to that 9 class 2's in 24" and I do 21.9 damage.  Should be a 
threshold.  In return (ignoring SMs for now) you have 13 dice of
beams, or 10.4 damage.	 You do a threshold to me, I threshold
you.  I feel pretty good about the start.  As a matter of
fact it looks like the battle will be determined by how well I
dodge you Salvos.  You don't have the option of dodging mine.
I would say we are within 10%.

>  And in a beam fight, this ship beats anything
> the FSE has at similar cost for free...

You are wrong.	The numbers don't lie.	I'm not even counting
on getting in your aft arcs.

> I can shave off a SMR and maybe a class-2 and
> add some more PDS for it; my firepower superiority won't be
significantly
> affected and their chances of getting any real missile hits go from
merely
> slim to downright miniscule.

If you want to design a ship to beat my Jerez's I'm sure you can.  But
if you have to have a specific design to beat my stock FB ships I'll
feel pretty good about the fact that you have not found a loophole.

If you take the same NPV of fighters I lose.

I'll rest my case.