Scotia Powered Armour
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Subject: Scotia Powered Armour
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Subject: RE: RE: [DS] Gently -- Capacity, Points
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Oerjan said:
>The two web sites you refer to are FAS, which is notoriously unreliable
do you have a better URL for things like "ratio of soldiers to total
population"?
>You shouldn't believe *everything* you read in sales brochures, you
know...
particularly not when you get them third hand.
There's no such thing as a sales brochure. Part of a salescreature's
job is to explain to you where the *marketing* brochure is wrong ("your
equipment does not come with a Widget4000, but I can give you 8%
discount and deliver it in 10 days instead of the 4-6 weeks the book
says--how many would you like").
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From: "Tomb" <tomb@dreammechanics.com>
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Subject: [OT] Miniatures Pictures (for manufacturers etc)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:41:12 -0400
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Just had a thought and I'd like to know if I'm alone in this (wouldn't
be the first time, mind....).
When I see a mini on a website (pics are good!), I sometimes see it
painted and go "that looks good" then when I see it "bare assed" (just
metal), I think "good thing I saw it painted or I'd never have bought
it!".
Conversely, sometimes I see a painted mini and go "yug.....
ick....bleah!" and then see the bare mini and go "Darn, that guy did an
ugly paint job and the mini actually has potential".
I guess where I'm going is that it seems to me that it'd be really great
to see a mini (yeah, I'm asking for paradise here) in bare metal (with a
wash) and maybe painted two different ways.
I just find that some models you see bare and you don't quite like the
look but if you saw them painted you might suddenly realize how to make
them look cool (or minimize some aspect you think looks wrong bare).
Similarly, when I see painted figs, sometimes the painter has done
something that aesthetically offends my eye and it is hard to imagine
what the figure looks like bare.
So ideally, it'd be nice to see both. And in this day of digital cameras
and relatively cheap storage space, is this really a huge lot to ask?
<answer: maybe....>
T.
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Hello all,
I've been trying to decide on which minis to use for my Merc unit's
troopers. As I plowed over the options I pretty much decided on the NAC
simply because of the variety available. Now, this go me to thinking,
are their nay plans to expand the other nationalities in the same way?
Eli
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Tomb wrote:
>
> Just had a thought and I'd like to know if I'm alone in this (wouldn't
> be the first time, mind....).
>
> When I see a mini on a website (pics are good!), I sometimes see it
> painted and go "that looks good" then when I see it "bare assed" (just
> metal), I think "good thing I saw it painted or I'd never have bought
> it!".
>
> Conversely, sometimes I see a painted mini and go "yug.....
> ick....bleah!" and then see the bare mini and go "Darn, that guy did
an
> ugly paint job and the mini actually has potential".
>
> I guess where I'm going is that it seems to me that it'd be really
great
> to see a mini (yeah, I'm asking for paradise here) in bare metal (with
a
> wash) and maybe painted two different ways.
[...]
> So ideally, it'd be nice to see both. And in this day of digital
cameras
> and relatively cheap storage space, is this really a huge lot to ask?
> <answer: maybe....>
Brigade does this to a degree with some of their figs in their online
catalog (I'm thinking primarily of their 1/300 and 15mm line; haven't
browsed deeply lately the rest of their site).
http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/
Mk
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Subject: RE: [DS] Gently -- Capacity, Points
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At 7:20 AM +0200 4/11/02, Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
>
>If by "exactly between" you mean "the ATGM shooter, target and ADS
>form an exactly straight line", then no it doesn't. As long as the
>ADS vehicle is in the middle of the target's formation - and it
>tends to be, since that maximizes the number of units it can protect
>- a side-striking missile attacking from outside the same formation
>has a good chance of using the target vehicle - or, indeed, some
>other vehicle(s) in the same unit - as a mask
>
>FWIW, I wouldn't really want a gun-based ADS try to engage any ATGM
>attacking me... any near-misses on the ATGM are rather too close to
>me for my taste :-/
>
>>Also, does 1.05 Meters really count that much?
>
>Yep. Simply put it is the difference between a laser-armed ADS
>having to fire literally through friendly vehicles to nail the
>missile and the same ADS being able to fire above them.
Side to side deviations don't hurt, but 1 meter above is ok? I think
you're giving too much in one area and not in another. I'd have to
think that if you're ballistic like Javelin, then yeah, the ADS has
an easy bead on you, but otherwise, I think the trajectory diff
between BILL2 and TOW isn't much of a difference where ADS would be
concerned. After all, those tanks have a bit more than a meter's
difference between them don't they?
>The two web sites you refer to are FAS, which is notoriously
>unreliable (I've seen so many bad mistakes on that site that I no
>longer trust *anything* I read there unless I can get independent
>confirmation of it!), and Army Technology, which is usually OK for
>US and Commonwealth stuff but not always completely up-to-date on
>systems from other countries. You shouldn't believe *everything* you
>read in sales brochures, you know... particularly not when you get
>them third hand.
Granted, but barring the actual user manual or an engineer that has
worked on it, I'm going to trust the sales literature for the sake of
argument. I checked out Bofors/Saab's websites and they have almost
nothing on the weapon system.
The point is that BILL 2 has a very close trajectory when compared to
the typical frontal/side attack ATGMs (TOW, DRAGON, MILAN, SAGGER,
etc). The ballistic arc type ATGMs like Javelin have a far and away
more exposed flight to the target than does something like BILL 2.
Further one would have to expect that either all missiles in the day
of 2183 are top attack like BILL 2 or that the effects are too
granular for concern in the game. I personally think it was something
that may have been missed in the early part of the game design as far
as GMS's are concerned. I do think the technology and attack mode is
significant though.
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Subject: Re: painting - sponging (was: Re: [OT] a clarification of my
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:42:03 -0400, Indy <kochte@stsci.edu> wrote:
>Stuart whipped out an Ashkelon for me last year, to give me a *real*
>quick demo of how easy it is to sponge. I will try and get a photo of
>it taken RSN and posted (minding that I'm digitally-challenged and only
>own a 35mm camera that uses the archaic stuff called "film" ;-). I'll
>try to use this as motivation to paint some of my stuff up for a bad
>comparison (here's a master, here's someone not even an apprentice ;-)
Sounds great! And no need to worry about being digitally-challenged. I'm
still
in the 35mm camp. I have too much invested in a Nikon SLR to jump to
digital,
especially since digital still isn't at the resolution of colour
negative film
and a digital SLR with comparable quality (speed, lens choice) to my
Nikon is
still in the $3000 to $5000 range. I expect my next camera, though, will
probably be a digital.
>Stuart, The Master, could crank out 3 15mm vehicles in the time it
takes
>the paint to dry (or 15 minutes, whichever comes first ;-). You should
be
>able to get some stuff out quicker this way (I've primed a few matchbox
>military vehicles to do more practicing with before I re-attack my
Hanits,
>Ashkelons, Civets, and Kamodo minis).
I can't wait to try it!
Allan Goodall agoodall@hyperbear.com
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:41:12 -0400, "Tomb" <tomb@dreammechanics.com>
wrote:
>So ideally, it'd be nice to see both. And in this day of digital
cameras
>and relatively cheap storage space, is this really a huge lot to ask?
><answer: maybe....>
The problem with painted minis is geting someone to paint them. The
problem
with putting two sets of pictures up may _not_ be one of storage. Most
ISPs
charge a fair amount of money for the amount of stuff downloaded off a
web
site. If you're running a small business off the free web space you get
from
an ISP, putting lots of pictures up can still be prohibitively
expensive. You
can pay between $35 and $150+ a month to a provider that allows large
downloads. Since minis are, still, mostly a cottage industry, this could
be an
expense small suppliers just don't want to pay.
I suspect the main reason is just the amount of time it takes to
photograph
the pics and put them on the web site. I still can't understand why more
mini
companies don't put up a web site with pictures of all their figures.
Didn't we discuss this not so long ago on here?
Allan Goodall agoodall@hyperbear.com
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:46:23 -0700, "Eli Arndt"
<eli_arndt@wattosjunkyard.com>
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> I've been trying to decide on which minis to use for my Merc unit's
troopers.
> As I plowed over the options I pretty much decided on the NAC simply
because
> of the variety available. Now, this go me to thinking, are their nay
plans
> to expand the other nationalities in the same way?
Umm... what scale are you talking about? 6mm, 15mm, or 25mm?
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Allan Goodall wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:41:12 -0400, "Tomb" <tomb@dreammechanics.com>
wrote:
>
> >So ideally, it'd be nice to see both. And in this day of digital
cameras
> >and relatively cheap storage space, is this really a huge lot to ask?
> ><answer: maybe....>
>
[...]
> I suspect the main reason is just the amount of time it takes to
photograph
> the pics and put them on the web site. I still can't understand why
more mini
> companies don't put up a web site with pictures of all their figures.
>
> Didn't we discuss this not so long ago on here?
That's just that recurring dream you keep having, Allan...
Mk
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:27:24 -0400, Indy <kochte@stsci.edu> wrote:
>That's just that recurring dream you keep having, Allan...
Darn... and I'm in my underwear again, too, right?
Allan Goodall agoodall@hyperbear.com
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From: "Warren Shultzaberger" <carol.warren@prodigy.net>
To: "Ground Zero Games List" <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Pizza Box Scene Link
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:48:17 -0400
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Due to the dumba$$ filing system of Warren Shultzaberger, I have lost
the link to the Pizza Box Scene Link.
Can anyone help out this victim some "sometimers disese?" <Sometimes I
remember... Sometimes I don't>
Thanks in advance,
Warren Shultzaberger
"A committee is a life form with six or more legs and no brain."