Re: Rules of Engagement examples (DSII/SGII)

In a message dated 03/04/02 04:16:07 GMT Daylight Time, 
laserlight@quixnet.net writes:

> > >> In Australia, we call this "Bullsh*t".
> > >
> > >Wow. . .in US ROEs they would be shot at when they
> > >pulled the grenades.
> >
> > You only know it's a grenade not a stone when it goes off.
> 
> 
>    No, you only know it's a stone when it _doesn't_ go off.
>    Being hit in the face by a rock isn't fun either, so stone throwers
> should be discouraged.  Letting them get away with it will encourage
> them to repeat it ("ha, we got away with it, let's do it again!").
>    Of course, while you're giving lessons in applied evolution, you
> need to make your opponents look like fools instead of martyrs, or at
> least make sure it looks like your shooting was justified.  Prudence
> would suggest having a grenade (soviet issue, pin pulled, dud fuse)
> handy to drop on the ground near your position, just in case someone
> makes a fuss.
> 
> 

Sorry for staying off topic, but...

Some of the ROE mentioned above sounds like it has its basis in lessons 
learnt in N.Ireland.

In U.K. the courts and the law will not equate the force of a bullet as
being 
equal to that of a stone. Same as it will not consider it equal to a
petrol 
bomb.

And at night , in a built up area, with street lights throwing all sorts
of 
odd shadows it can be very hard to make out detail.

TRUE STORY- About a year ago a police patrol at night in Derry, N.I.,
saw a 
young male step around a corner ahead of them. He raised a long green
pipe up 
to his shoulder and appeared to take aim with it. The police, who were
in an 
armoured landrover, believed it was some type of LAW being pointed at
them. 
After a second or two of panick, and no explosion, they starburst from
their 
vehicle, took cover and challenged the male.
 It turned out that the object was LAW shaped, but was a toy. Army
technical 
staff who examined it were able to identify exactly what it was a
replica of.
 The police involed were armed with MP5, G33, and pop gun side arms, and

could have put down considerable fire if necessary. However it had been 
drilled into them, and the army working areas like this that they must
be 
sure what they are shooting at poses a threat to life.

And ths is why ROE exist, so the less intellectual of us don't gun down
kids 
who dont have the intelligence to understand that they are asking to be 
removed from the gene pull.