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RE: Rules of Engagement examples (DSII/SGII)

From: "Paul Owen" <paul@g...>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:15:42 +0100
Subject: RE: Rules of Engagement examples (DSII/SGII)


Yes they kept telling us this as well, when is a gun a gun, it may be
fake
so you cant shoot him till you know its a real gun and either you or
your
mate are dead, but as before this is for non war situations

> >
> >Wow. . .in US ROEs they would be shot at when they
> >pulled the grenades.
>
> You only know it's a grenade not a stone when it goes off.
>
> > And if they executed their
> >attack and started to flee after, until they stopped
> >moving.
>
> Depending on exact ROE, usually allowing them a few seconds to
> stop after a
> command "HALT!" (or whatever the local language is) before firing. Or
not.
>
> This was what the first group did - warned em 3 times before
> opening up - and
> was mildly rebuked for it, by an officer using a very obviously
> faked primary-school
> manner.
>
> Officer: "Corporal, why did your squad fire?"
>
> Cpl A (consulting his "Peacekeeping in Kosovo for Dummies"
> plasticised ROE sheet):
> "They-were-actively-attacking-so-were-a-threat-so-by-rule-13B-we-w
> ere-allowed-to-fire-after-giving-three-warnings-SAH!"
>
>
> Officer: "Can anyone tell me what they did wrong? Anyone? You,
corporal.."
>
> Cpl B: (consulting his plasticised "Janet And John Go To Kosovo" card)
> "By-Rule-11-after-making-the-attack-they-were-no-longer-a-threat-s
> o-were-ineligible-targets-SAH!"
>
>
> Officer: "Very Good."
>
> The look on the faces of the squaddies being "trained" was
> priceless. While
> remaining absolutely poker-faced, they managed to convey
> telepathically the
> following:
>
> "I'm on camera at the moment, trying not to bugger up my career.
> Peacekeeping's
> F**ing dangerous. It's vital that we give the right impression of
> restraint,
> and don't give the F***ing chattering classes any opportunity to
> cut the MoD
> (UK Ministry of Defence) budget yet again. We know this is all
> F**ing Ballocks.
> The officer teaching us knows its all F**ing Ballocks. We're all
> desperately
> trying not to burst out laughing, and the officer is NOT making
> it any easier
> by playing the F**ing Kindergarten Teacher, the Bastard. Anyone
> who sees this
> who has half a F**ing brain will know what we're thinking. Anyone
> who tries
> to follow these brain-dead instructions is too F**ing stupid to
> live. But we'll
> parrot the F**ing PC answer and do what's sensible in the field,
> cos the F**ing
> Rent-A-Crowd Mob are so stupid they won't know the difference."
>
> It's wonderful what just a few seconds glimpse of someone's face
> will show.
>
>
> >US ROEs are not written by the UN and hence actually
> >make a good deal of sense.
>
> Twas not always thus. "We learn by mistakes." Hopefully, other
people's.
>
>


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