RE: RE: [FT] Simultaneous Fire

When I talk about phased movement, I meant that
within a single game turn, there were multiple
movement phases each of which might or might not
have weapons fire associated with them. Only SFB
came to mind, and though it seemed more "realistic"
it wasn't really worth it in terms of effort (at
least I didn't think so).

Maybe I should thank my lucky stars that FT isn't
set up this way (ok you won initiative, you fire
ALL your ships and if I have any ships left I'll
fire). It might be appropriate to just concede
after the initiative roll ;-)

Maybe there's stuff I'm not remembering about
the games I HAVE played (maybe some of them use
this strategy too and I'm just not remembering
them). I've played Starfire, Star Fleet Battles,
FASA Starship Combat Simulator, Starbattles,
Interceptor, Silent Death, Battletech, Centurion,
Fast Attack Boats, Task Force's Battlewagon, 
and a few others.

Seems like most of those have pretty simple 
structure in the combat phase. Like I said, maybe
I am guilty of having a selective memory. How
many of you have played games where fire is
non-simultaneous and units are eliminated before
they fire in say space/sea battle/tank sorts of
games? What were they and how did it seem to
work?

--- "bbell1@insight.rr.com" <bbell1@insight.rr.com>
wrote:
> Almost all games that I have played are of the
> phased or staged movement type. That is one side
> moves then the other side moves (as opposed to Full
> Thrust or Robo Rally where orders are written
> (arranged), so everyone moves at the same time
> without the ability to alter the movement in
> reaction to how the other side moved).
> 
> Examples:
> Checkers
> Chess
> Stratego
> Risk
> Ogre
> Battletech
> Dirtside II
> Stargrunt II
> 
> If you meant move-fire-move, then Ogre is this way
> with GEVs.
> 
> If you meant that movement is rotational based on
> some other factor (movement, velocity, dexterity,
> etc.), I have played a number of these, but do not
> recall what they were. Usually, they were based on
> inititive and attack speed. 
> 
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: David Griffin carbon_dragon@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
> To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> Subject: RE:	[FT] Simultaneous Fire
> 
> 
> 
> --- Dean Gundberg <Dean.Gundberg@noridian.com>
> wrote:
> 
> ..Most space games I've played have
> > > simultaneous fire (tank games too) and I guess
> > I've
> > > gotten used to it. This sudden asynchronous fire
> > > feels very wrong to me.
> > 
> > True, but look back on how those systems do
> > movement.  Most that I can think
> > of off hand have phased movement and fire or have
> > initiative based movement.
> > FT is different in that initiate is in the fire
> > phase instead of movement.
> > 
> 
> Only SFB. What other phased movement games are
> you thinking of?
> 
> 
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