RE: When does skirmish scale becomes battle scale?

Okay the first two are clearly "skirmish" but where does "battle" begin:

Ratio				Size			Troop Unit Scale
       Rules
1:1				Role Playing		Hero Scale	
       FMASk
1:5				Skirmish		Squad Scale	
       SG
1:10				Skirmish		Company Scale	
       DS, TSATF
1:20-25 (lumped them)		Tactical		       
Battalion Scale 	Johnny Reb
1:30-33 (ditto) 		Tactical			Brigade
Scale		Command Decision
1:50				Battle			Division Scale	
       Empire
1:60				Battle			Corps Scale	
       Fire and Fury
1:100				Battle			Army Scale	
       Napoleon's Battles/VnB

Troop Unit Scale refers to the base maneuver unit (group of figures) or
Player 
command level.	Other determinations are ground scale, time scale and
scope. 
 At skirmish ground scales where rooms, windows and doors are matters. 
At 
Battle ground scales you just need to know where the towns are. At
skirmish 
scales you really should not see reinforcements or off board support. 
At 
Battle scales you see the specialists that larger organizations can
support. 
 Because time and distance are compressed (Larger ratios per inch or
turn) 
reinforcements and support (Air, Artillery, etc.) become more common. 
FWIW, 
Fields of Honor covers ALL of these scales (not well, but there are
things that 
you can use).

Hope this helps,

Michael Brown

-----Original Message-----
From:	Glenn M Wilson
Sent:	Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:44 AM
To:	Stargrunt-Fullthrust@yahoogroups.com; gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
Subject:	When does skirmish scale becomes battle scale?

Okay, after all that -

Where does the ratio of figure to persons cross over from 'skirmish' to
'battle'?

I ran through a mental list of all the rules - those I had played with
(owned some like chainmail, Dirtside 2, Gygax's only historical rules -
Classic Warfare, TSATF, etc.) or had contact with - of ratio's and made
this list:

Okay the first two are clearly "skirmish" but where does "battle" begin:

1:1
1:5
1:10
1:20-25 (lumped them)
1:30-33 (ditto)
1:50
1:60
1:100

And I am sure there others but this should suffice, I would think.

OH, and just how many angels *can* dance on the head of a pin??
<grin>

Gracias,  Glenn.
*Early* North American skirmish games
Biblical Wars battles, Medieval skirmishes
Other selected Historicals miniatures games
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