Re: Can a FT only Fleet be viable?
From: "Oerjan Ohlson" <oerjan.ohlson@t...>
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:14:03 +0100
Subject: Re: Can a FT only Fleet be viable?
Glenn M Wilson wrote:
> Okay, here's a thought -
>
>Can a space force be viable if it only uses the weapons systems >from
Full Thrust (I have 2nd edition)?
As Allan says, it depends on what you mean with "viable". FB1 only
introduces one new weapon (the Salvo Missiles), but the entire ship
design system was redone from scratch.
The differences (I can remember right now) are:
- Fire arcs have changed from 4x90 degrees to 6x60 degrees. Makes the
aft-arc blind spot narrower, but also makes the forward arc narrower
(causes certain problems for Kra'Vak, P-torps, needle beams etc.)
- Engines and hull boxes no longer take up fixed percentages of the
ship's mass. If your ship designs have thrust 4-6 or so they *should*
be about as expensive in the FBx rules as (the nearest equivalent is)
in FT2, but I won't give any guarantees for that.
- There are no level-3 screens in FBx. If you have more than 2 screen
generators, the extra ones only become operable if the first two are
lost. For large ships, screens use a percentage of the ship's Mass
rather than a flat 3 Mass per generator.
- Most weapons have had their masses and points costs revised. Extra
fire arcs require more mass as well as more points.
- Area-defence point defences are rather more effective in FBx than
they are in FT2.
Whether or not an FT2 fleet is "viable" against an FB1 one depends very
much on what the FB1 fleet is armed with. If it relies mainly on beam
weapons, an FT2 fleet with level-3 screens and A batteries only (the
smaller types aren't worthwhile in FT2) will win hands down - both its
beams and defences are at least twice as good as anything the FB1 fleet
can get.
If OTOH the FB1 fleet relies on salvo missiles, the FT2 fleet will
probably be in trouble, as its point defences are likely to be too weak
(and, if the ships are large, unlikely to be fast enough to dodge the
missiles).
Regards,
Oerjan Ohlson
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"Life is like a sewer.
What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it."
- Hen3ry
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:47:47 -0800 "Laserlight" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
writes:
>> >being most important, IMO) but you can get by without it. MT
>> >describes some of the genre weapons and, more importantly, the
>details of the various
>> >fighter types, but again, you can live without it.
>
>
>Glenn wondered
>> "Genre weapons"? Is this like the Salvo missiles thing or something
>more
>> exotic?
>
>Wave gun, cloaking device, ortillery, reflex field--intended for you
>to be able to recreate a specific film or book, not necessarily
>balanced against "generic" ships.
>
Okay, then they won't probably be a factor in my designs - I have a
campaign world I use for my SF - Started being lazily laid out with
Starguard edition 2 (Now in edition 5) and added with Ratner's Space
marines, then DS2 and now it will be taking on FT (supplemented by Star
Wars 2250 AD [not THAT Star Wars but the Reviresco ones]) as a new
'mod'.
Gracias, Glenn/Triphibious
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What's all this um, "editting" looking stuff? It shows upa at
intervals
on some postings/e-mails.
Confused,
Gracias, Glenn/Triphibious
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Well, I was just wondering what MT, FB1/FB2 weapons systems would be
compatible with a FT/2nd design fleet.
Specifically I was looking to add a layer to my SF scenario setting with
FT/2nd. I think I might add the "salvo missiles" from Pat's Player Aid
(much nicer term then Cheat Sheet, IMO) since I would only need to know
cost/capacity since range, hit and damage on already on the page, but
until I have a better feel (and more money) I am not thinking of buying
more FT supplements.
It was just a thought that if I get into some pick up FT games at the
local hobby shop I'd like to have my own fleet and I'd like to know if
you can create a viable 'pure' FT fleet (no MT/FB1/FB2 adds if possible)
and it would be a useful fleet on the table. I am not looking to
munchkinize a fleet, just trying to put off more rules buying for now.
On that note assuming the presence of "salvo missiles" and the 'odd'
Kravak force, can A FT equipped fleet play with a reasonable chance of
performing effectively? (i.e., not be swept off the board in two or
three turns of fire.)
Gracias, Glenn/Triphibious
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Does anyone know of a Dirtside Data File for Armybuilder?
If so, where can I find a copy?
If not, I guess I will start on creating one... :)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ranitzsch, Karl Heinz <KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de>
> As defined in the official list, the NSL are more of a German
Kaiserreich
> joined the Habsburg Empire type state than space Nazis. And lest you
ask
> what's the difference, the empire were constitutional monarchies, not
quite
> democratic by our standards, but quite civilized. The Nazis are
definitely
> in the top league of the most barbarous regimes the world has ever
seeen.
>
Sorry, I don't follow very much of any history that happened inside of
the
last few thousand years.
> People here do have a weird sense of humor, but this is not really the
kind
> of joke I appreciate.
>
Sorry if I offended anyone with this. Obviously I don't believe in any
of
that crap.
I would have posted pictures of the start of my UN fleet (which did have
names like Tranquility, Calmness and Hope) but I stripped the paint off
after a bad ink job.
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Any ideas for ship names for a Kra'vak fleet? Anything with an
apostrophe?
As for my ESU fleet, I've just followed the conventions in the book,
using
cities, rivers/lakes for the smaller classes, and prominent names from
Russian
and Chinese history for the larger capital class ships. Nothing like
playing
a scenario where Moscow and Gorbachev beat up on King George :).
Mark
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Any ideas for ship names for a Kra'vak fleet? Anything with an
apostrophe
?
As for my ESU fleet, I've just followed the conventions in the book,
using
cities, rivers/lakes for the smaller classes, and prominent names from
Russian and Chinese history for the larger capital class ships.
Nothing
like playing a scenario where <i>Moscow </i>and <i>Gorbachev </i>beat up
on<i> King George</i> :).
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Hi
I am not sure what you mean.. If you want a program for vehicle
design
try...
John izbrands DsII Veh. des
http://www.geocities.com/arnoljos/utes.html
or
Chris Smiths
http://www.auburn.edu/~smithck/dsII.html
or on line at
Andy Cowells
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~cowell/min/ds2/
I am not sure how you want army builder to work.. DsII is basically a
generic program and has therefore no standard vehicles that could be
plugged
into a builder program such as this ??'
Bob DeAngelis
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> Does anyone know of a Dirtside Data File for Armybuilder?
> If so, where can I find a copy?
> If not, I guess I will start on creating one... :)
>
> --
> The Middle Ages were a great time to be alive,
> because if you weren't wiped out by the Plague
> or impaled by some marauding barbarian, then yippee.
> "chocolate covered musings"
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A thought from my "fantasy" Alter Ego that may have application here.
Or
not.
Gracias, Glenn/Triphibious
You don't have to be French to be a 'frog', or even human!
Nektons - Real Marines!
Starguard, Dirtside 2, Full Thrust, Ratner's Space Marines, Stellar
Conflicts and Uprisings, and Full Thrust/2nd. Resistance is everything!
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A statement on the 2mm list got my fire lit and I thought I'd put it out
for any mini producers with web sites on the lists.
*Pictures*
/Pictures/
_Pictures_
If I can't see it (and the local shop seems to carry one line of any era
and scale with some exceptions) I am about 90% sure I won't buy it
unless
I can see pictures of it.
Preferably next to some scale (ruler, dime, whatever) so I can see how
it
will relate to what I already have.
It doesn't have to be the same exact size for SF or fantasy (although
historicals can be a bit of a compatibility issue) because I have some
"25 mm" Dwarves from various lines that range from 14mm (small DK
figures) to some second hand bought 25mm tall dwarves(!!!) and it
doesn't
bother me *THAT* much. But I want to know in advance if they look like
they will fit in with my plans for them. Some suitable garbed SF mouse
infantry are my #1 goal for my SF skirmish games for example. PA is not
necessary and space suits would do... But mostly I would want to see an
image at least.
And sometimes I like the 'strange' looking figures (read - not
mainstream) like the 25mm Irregular human figures. The 1950's
appearance
appeals to me to fill a niche I have in my SF skirmish games that they
would fill perfectly.
How important are pictures to you if you can't see/handle the figures in
person?
Gracias, Dwarf Warrior.
This address is where I do my fantasy and most of
my 10/6/2 mm miniatures game activities.
Alternate: Triphibious@ juno.com (Science Fiction)
and warbeads@juno.com (Historicals.) Axes Advance!
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It happens when they post using html usually.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn M Wilson" <triphibious@juno.com>
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> What's all this um, "editting" looking stuff? It shows upa at
intervals
> on some postings/e-mails.
>
> Confused,
> Gracias, Glenn/Triphibious
> You don't have to be French to be a 'frog', or even human!
> Nektons - Real Marines!
> Starguard, Dirtside 2, Full Thrust, Ratner's Space Marines, Stellar
> Conflicts and Uprisings, and Full Thrust/2nd. Resistance is
everything!
>
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:26:22 -0600 "Mark A. Siefert"
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Aaron Teske wrote:
> And Nyrath, what's the footnote on this one?
> >LOU "If I Could Do It Again, I Would Do It All Over You" [1]
[1] yeah, they have Caravan fans in The Culture.
And note the GCU The Weather.
As in "Everybody talks about The Weather but
nobody does anything about it..."
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I apologize for my lack of clarity, I whipped off the message in a
hurry.
Armybuilder is a pretty cool, and flexible program that allows the
"construction" of units (not vehicles - but platoons, etc.) for play in
battle for many different games (Battletech to Warhammer). It lists the
possibility of Dirtside capability, and I am curious as to whether
anyone on the list has achieved such.
It is at http://www.wolflair.com/
chubbybob wrote:
> Hi
> I am not sure what you mean.. If you want a program for vehicle
design
> try...
> John izbrands DsII Veh. des
> http://www.geocities.com/arnoljos/utes.html
> or
> Chris Smiths
> http://www.auburn.edu/~smithck/dsII.html
> or on line at
> Andy Cowells
> http://www.cs.utk.edu/~cowell/min/ds2/
>
> I am not sure how you want army builder to work.. DsII is basically
a
> generic program and has therefore no standard vehicles that could be
plugged
> into a builder program such as this ??'
>
> Bob DeAngelis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Weer" <nsweer@ice.net>
> To: <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu>
> Sent: Saturday 23 de December de 2000 16:48
> Subject: armybuilder data file?
>
>
>
>> Does anyone know of a Dirtside Data File for Armybuilder?
>> If so, where can I find a copy?
>> If not, I guess I will start on creating one... :)
>>
>> --
>> The Middle Ages were a great time to be alive,
>> because if you weren't wiped out by the Plague
>> or impaled by some marauding barbarian, then yippee.
>> "chocolate covered musings"
>> (http://www.amused.com/nick.html)
>>
--
The Middle Ages were a great time to be alive,
because if you weren't wiped out by the Plague
or impaled by some marauding barbarian, then yippee.
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In article <3.0.5.32.20001223085223.009c9220@mail.HICom.net>, Aaron
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>
>ROU = Rapid Offensive Unit
>GCU = General Contact Unit
>GSV = General Service Vehicle
>
>I suppose LOU could be light offensive unit and LSV light service
vehicle,
>but no idea as to VFP.
LSV - Limited systems vehicle.
VFP - Very fast picket. A demilitarised ROU.
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> > > And EW equipment, does it take up any space in the vehicle?
> >
> > No. ECM just costs points, not capacity. There's some more ECM/EW
stuff
on the Dirtside 2 section on my site.
>
> In SG II there is no point system. So an EW equipped vehicle doesn't
have
to "pay" for an EW suite with capacity? I know it states that EW Teams
in
infantry require special equipment but I'm willing not to take a
capacity
penalty for putting it vehicles :) ECW is alredy built into the vehicle
design.
There's no capacity points cost, in other words, ECM doesn't take up
significant ammounts of space. In my rules I have DF equipment take up
space, based on WW2 and modern experience with specialised vehicles.
There's
some more rules on my site, like Navigation warfare that you might be
interested in.
Andrew Martin
ICQ: 26227169 http://members.nbci.com/AndrewMartin/
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