Deans site... Jon (GZG)

Jon
      I had the same problem earlier but as of 24:00 GMT its working
fine..

	      Bob

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From: "Ground Zero Games" <jon@gzg.com>
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> Please ignore URL request - just found it via TMP (should have tried
there
> first....)  :-/
>
> Jon (GZG)
>
> >Check the game out...he's not kidding!   (oy!)
>
> Is there a direct URL for this? For some reason I can't get at Dean's
site,
> it keeps making my browser fall over....
>
> Jon (GZG)
> >
> >Donald Hosford
> >
> >Peter Mancini wrote:
> >
> >> >- 'Red Chicken Rising' tactical space rules in the Generic Legions
universe
> >> >are now available online (the only known rules that begin with a
shower
> >> >scene).
> >>
> >> Hey, stop trying to re-introduce the Phalon thread.  We know what
you
are up
> >> to!
> >>
> >> Shower scene?  Egad!
> >> _________________________________________________________________
> >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>
>
>
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From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au>
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  G'day,

 >This was based around the concept of
 >age. The aliens are born as tanks, APC etc.
 >So you could say that a tank with a
 >basic fire control simply means it's a baby
 >and has not yet developed the skills
 >or awareness to use opportunity fire.

Do you have children? That's all my kids ever seem to do ;)

 >Again I can see this would be possible.
 >I suppose at the point where I was thinking about
 >ECM's I was eager to provide a keen
 >difference between conventional forces and the aliens.

I agree that that's a good thing, but there's a multitude of ways for
doing 
that without giving them a potentially gapping hole in the side ;)
If it doesn't turn out to be a death knell weakness then leave it, but 
don't chop off your options if it falls short.

 >Very low profile for the blob :)

;)

 >I should add a rule where it cannot be
 >done if in direct line of sight of the enemy.
 >But then if your mobility is shot you may not have the choice.

I like Allan's reaction test idea for this one.

 >I sort of invisaged the Gatherer reducing
 >the vehicle down to the biological matter.
 >But maybe this is wrong. I should decide
 >whether it simply drags the damaged unit away
 >or obsorbs it.

If it absorbs it then you need to build in a time penalty for what could
be 
a slow process... at least a turn or two.

 >Harsh Beth. I thought my penalty was bad enough :)

If she's that important you've got to reflect it, though I too like the 
idea of having a hierarchy of queens (so to speak), this could fix your 
problem.

 >Hmmm I could have a dedicated water
 >movement type. Sort of loch ness monster
 >spitting plasma! (I like it)

So will my son Lachy when I tell him about it at dinner tonight ;)

 >This is the trouble with trying to
 >do rules for biological constructs.
 >Maybe I need different categories of legs.

Possibly or just go with something like
Legs: Easy = Roads, Open,
Normal = Urban, Hills, Light Scrub
Poor = all Woods, Cultivated, Rough,
Difficult = Rivers/Streams (crossing only), Mountains, Swamp,
Impassable = Open Water

 >Play testing has mainly been alien systems or
 >one or two units vs conventiaon DS2 stuff.
 >Not had many pitched battles using the range of alien stuff.

I can't promise anything, but odds on Lachy will be after a game this
week 
so if you're lucky... ;)

 >Yeah but I was worried that they would
 >then be too much like convertional forces.
 >This is the trouble with making alien rules.
 >I didn't want to just have a renaming
 >exercise for existing systems, sometimes
 >to have to be illogical to make it well
 >alien.

Its just my opinion, but I've always felt you shouldn't get to hung up 
about the details of the weapons etc when it comes to aliens (though
I'll 
admit its fun to think up way out gizmos), its the psychology of the
thing 
that will make all the difference. With this in mind do you intend to 
change the psychology of these guys at all? One of the main reasons most

aliens have an all controlling queen telepathically directing her
minions 
is probably because its one of the most foreign things we can imagine
(and 
because many aliens are based on insects). But there's a range of 
alternatives... they could be anything from fearless to extremely timid,

individual thinkers to a hierachical or collective mindset, they could
have 
a "society" built on anything from altruism to individual gain, they
could 
have an inherited to purchased position in the social ranks, they could
be 
isolationist through to completely all consuming. Any mix of these can
give 
you quite different feelings and when built into the morale (and even
the 
activation) scheme used in SG/DS you can get some REALLY cool aliens!
Just 
a thought.

 >Thanks for your comments Beth.

Glad to help.

Have a Merry Christmas

Beth

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***
 >basic fire control simply means it's a baby
 >and has not yet developed the skills
 >or awareness to use opportunity fire.

Do you have children? That's all my kids ever seem to do ;)
***

However, if your kids were born with machine guns, locked-and-loaded,
and
the ability to fire accurately, if not selectively, you'd find a
tendency
to wait for orders a survival benefit for the race as a whole.

The_Beast (who can add PSB, but no REALLY useful ideas)

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>
> I'd heard this, but also that it was actually called WC after Winston
> Churchill, with WC commonly used to refer to water closet, or
'necessaries'
> as it is more delicately known. Tank from toilet; the other cover
story
> covered more than just keeping the enemy unawares, according to the
version
> I came across.  ;->=
>
> The_Beast

Perhaps the most authoritative version is in "Landships: British tanks
in
the First World War" by David Fletcher of the Tank Museum at Bovington. 
The
group responsible for the initial development of the tank was the
Landships
Committee. "Landship" was thought too descriptive.  The cover story was
that
the vehicles were water carriers for the Army in Mesopotamia, and the
c'ttee
was to be retitled the Water Carrier Committee.  Sir Albert Stern, with
an
eye to posterity, didn't want to be Secretary to the WC Committee, and
sought an alternative.	The later cover was that the tanks were for the
Russian army, so they got "Carefully to Petrograd" painted on their
sides in
Cyrillic.

Talking of Russians, their term for DD is Eskadrenniy Minonosyets, or
Squadron Minelayer; in Russian "destroyer" means a fighter aircraft
(Istrebityel).	They also used "Ship of the line" (Lineiy Korabl') for
BBs.
Their "logical" ship designations are clear but unromantic- Large
Antisubmarine Ship etc., with the exception of Rocket Cruiser (Rakyetniy
Kreyser) which I think is pretty damn good.

Slava Partiyeh Bolshevikov!
Rob Paul