Re: GZG-NCC (was Re: Winter War 28)
From: "Joseph Arnold" <jdarnold@s...>
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:03:18 -0600
Subject: Re: GZG-NCC (was Re: Winter War 28)
How about:
GZG-MWC GZG MidWest Convention
GZG-HLC GZG HeartLand Convention
GZG-TRC GZG Three Rivers Convention (if it's in St. Louis, Missouri,
Mississippi and Ohio Rivers)
GZG-GLC GZG Great Lakes Convention (if in Chicago)
GZG-HAC GZG Heart of America Convention (Might be misconstrued by those
familiar with with Heart of America Historical Minis Gaming Soc. Yuck,
KC
area people will know)
Just a few ideas. If it would be within a 6-7 hour drive of Southern
Illinois, I'd go.
Jay
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>From: Aaron Teske <ateske@HICom.net>
>To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
>Subject: GZG-NCC (was Re: Winter War 28)
>Date: Mon, Dec 4, 2000, 4:51 PM
>
>
> At 08:18 AM 12/4/00 -0600, Noel Weer wrote:
>>Thanks all for pointing out the West Coast event also.
>>I guess I failed to specify that I was really hoping for something in
>>the middle - say Chicago, Indianopolis, or St.Louis.
>>
>>There are a ton of us gamers in the vastness of this country far
removed
>>from the coasts. :)
>
> Well, you can always champion the cause of the GZG-NCC! (No Coast
> Convention, that is, nothing to do with Star Trek... hmm, maybe we
would
> need a different acronymn.)
>
> Aaron Teske
> ateske@HICom.net
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>Well, you can always champion the cause of the GZG-NCC! (No Coast
>Convention, that is, nothing to do with Star Trek... hmm, maybe we
would
>need a different acronymn.)
I actually think that NORTH Coast Convention would be appropriate!
Schoon
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Well, you can always champion the cause of the GZG-NCC! (No Coast
Convention, that is, nothing to do with Star Trek... hmm, maybe we would
need a different acronymn.)
***
...MCC - Mid Continent Convention. ;->=
I see NCC in this context, and wonder if you're planning a con on the
shores of Hudson Bay. *brrr*
The_Beast
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:51:03 -0500 "Barclay, Tom" <tomb@bitheads.com>
writes:
>
>4) I haven't seen ideas from anyone yet on how to handle something
>like a
>76mm or 90mm Low Pressure Gun. HVC doesn't seem like the right model
>to me.
>These, if I understand correctly, are fairly dangerous to infantry,
>buildings, and lightly armoured or unarmoured vehicles, but fare very
>poorly
>in terms of range and penetration versus real tank cannons like the
>HVC.
>
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:16:48 +0100 "Oerjan Ohlson"
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>
>If she's "going on 21", she's rapidly approaching the age where she
>technically is a "woman" but will take offence if you call her that
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>
>Later,
>
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Sigh. I never thought a comment so common in my childhood would be so
misunderstood.
***
I think there were a fair number of us fellow-fathers-of-daughters that
understood, and merely shook our heads, quietly. ;->=
Back to the game list, which is STILL in progress...
The_Beast
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> ***
> Sigh. I never thought a comment so common in my childhood would be so
> misunderstood.
> ***
>
> I think there were a fair number of us fellow-fathers-of-daughters
that
> understood, and merely shook our heads, quietly. ;->=
That's for sure. A father of a 14 year old daughter.
Enjoy,
Tom Granvold <thomas.granvold@eng.sun.com>
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Allan Goodall wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:32:22 +0000, David Brewer <david@brewer.to>
wrote:
>
> >Old Dungeons and
> >Dragons hands should recognise the "level" idea... not only does
> >your level influence your to-hit rolls, it is multiplied with your
> >Will stat to provide a Knockout Value, against which your
> >cumulative damage point total is compared to determine if you are
> >hors de combat. In other words, a Level 10 character will have
> >twice the "hit points" he had at Level 5. Also, the melee
> >supplement had an exact analogue of D&D Armor Class.
>
> I would disagree with this part. You are right about the knockout
value.
> However, this was a value against which you could fall unconscious.
...which it was in D&D, too. I was careful to write "hors de
combat", not "dead".
> Physical
> damage was still determined based on a model of the human body
(supposedly).
> So, technically, hit points had nothing to do with the skill level of
the
> figure/character.
I know. I think we had this exact same thread two or three years
ago.
Reading the rules, it seems that all characters had identical "hit
points" with absolutely no differentiation between physically
larger, more healthy or more muscular characters and smaller,
slighter, weaker and more sickly characters. Colourful rules, but
not much in the accuracy stakes.
> Okay, so why was I able to enjoy this when I was younger, but now find
it
> silly that the knockout value is based on the skill level?
Oddly, I find this sort sort of D&D beer-and-pretzels-level
mechanic less silly as I get older. Dramatically, characters have
always needed to be differentiated from goons and orcs.
> >As for non-arbitrary stats, I recommend a look at Greg Porter's
> >CORPS. I think a freebie 2-page version of the rules is available
> >as a PDF file somewhere.
>
> It is available online. I think CORPS is also available as an e-book
(actuall
y
> just a PDF file that you have to print yourself, but only about $10).
...and you can buy a proper book version. Its huge compared to the
original slim edition. Porter also wrote and published a much more
vast game system "Timelords" with damage tables a-plenty.
> There are just as many tables, more in fact, for creating your own
weapons,
> but the game system looked reasonably straightforward.
It also fits together with Porter's OTT book "Guns, Guns, Guns" a
huge supplement for designing... guns.
> I've also seen a gun combat version of Harnmaster. If you're going
that route
,
> though, you might as well just use GURPS.
Fair point.
--
David Brewer
"It is foolishness and endless trouble to cast a stone at every
dog that barks at you." - George Silver, gentleman, c.1600
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devans@uneb.edu wrote:
>
> ***
> Well, you can always champion the cause of the GZG-NCC! (No Coast
> Convention, that is, nothing to do with Star Trek... hmm, maybe we
would
> need a different acronymn.)
> ***
>
> ...MCC - Mid Continent Convention. ;->=
>
> I see NCC in this context, and wonder if you're planning a con on the
> shores of Hudson Bay. *brrr*
>
> The_Beast
The hotel and conference room rates might be pretty good up there. :-)
Jon
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I think Brin's point was that in the first 3 films, the force was a zen
kinda thing and then in Ep. 1, young Anakin tests positive for Jedi.
It's
not so much the PC-ness of it, but the fact that one has to be
genetically
predisposed to be a lightsaber-wielding scion of galactic justice. There
was
a second article comparing Star Wars and Star Trek from a soci-political
standpoint, rather then the tired "The Borg would crush the Empire," "No
way
man, the Death Star would cream a Borg cube, it destroyed a planet in a
singel shot" garbage more often seen on the net-comparisons.
----------
>From: David Brewer <david@brewer.to>
>To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
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afteraction
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>Date: Mon, Dec 4, 2000, 5:00 PM
>
> agoodall@canada.com wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 29 November 2000, devans@uneb.edu wrote:
>>
>> > And, if you want a REAL condemnation of Lucas, check out David
Brin's
>> > comments in a recent SciFi channel rag. And I thought *I* needed to
cut
>> > back on the coffee! ;->=
>>
>> Check out Brin's "What's Wrong (and Right) with 'The Phantom Menace'"
> from Salon last year. Here's the URL:
>>
>>
http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/1999/06/15/brin_side/index.html
>>
>> My favourite line: "He is too old to train to be a Jedi." -- Uh,
Yoda?
> You say 6 is too old, but Luke Skywalker will be a doable fixer-upper
at
> 20? When do you recruit novices -- ripping them from the breast, like
the
> Psi Corps in "Babylon 5"? Does the Jedi Way require complete denial of
> normal childhood? An odd message for a kid flick!
>>
>
> I don't see that as an odd message for a kid flick at all, giving
> kids a role and responsibility. Much odder would be a story in
> which a child protagonist did nothing but watch TV. I read the
> rest of the article and it was rubbish. Brin complains that he's
> seen archetypal things before (well, duh) and rounds his argument
> with stuff about Ep 1 not being inclusive and generally PC.
>
> <troll>
> I guess that Postman film must've been awesome for Brin to be
> dissing George Lucas.
>
> Would I be right in assuming the ratio of listers playing Star
> Wars-inspired games to Uplift War games would be about...
> something-to-zero?
> </troll>
>
> --
> David Brewer
>
> "It is foolishness and endless trouble to cast a stone at every
> dog that barks at you." - George Silver, gentleman, c.1600
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morgan Vening" <morgan@optushome.com.au>
...
> > I'm looking for fairly comprehensive, and fairly
> navigatable and
> > printable (the FT Ship Registry wasn't) copies of
> quasi official fleet
> > listings for the following fleets. - Islamic
> Federation, Oceanic Union,
> > UNSC.
If looking for naming information I cannot be of
real help. Note that the small nations are
considered to have about 200 to 400 warships
per nation.
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That stuff is on my page, which unfortunately has been down for about a
month...
But here are the appropriate excerpts from my page (though I assume that
you
were referring to another site, as I don't think mine got a whole lot of
traffic when it was working)...
Guided Missile System / Portable (GMS/P)
A lighter cousin of the GMS/L, the GMS/P (introduced in Stargrunt II) is
slightly less capable, but provides infantry teams a longer-ranged
anti-armor capability than IAVR. Any rifle or close assault team may be
equipped with a GMS/P if it pays the appropriate weapon cost in addition
to
the team's normal cost and may fire the GMS/P in place of its normal
weapons
on any turn. GMS/P operation is the same as other GMS.
Weapon Range Chits Mass Points
GMS/P 24" 1 1 10/20/30
and
Low Velocity Cannon
Low velocity cannons (LVC) are generally short-barreled weapons firing
HE,
fragmentation, HESH, or HEAP warheads using either a chemical reaction
or,
in higher tech forces, magnetic acceleration. Low velocity cannons are
used
as main armament on tanks in low technology forces and sometimes as main
armament on infantry support vehicles. In addition, combat engineering
module demolition weapons can be used as LVC in an emergency (chits, and
validity as LVC/4, but range is much shorter). Finally, LVC/1 can be
carried
and fired by infantry heavy weapon teams (in this case, it represents a
recoilless rifle). LVC come in all classes (from 1 to 5). The low
muzzle
velocity of the LVC rounds means that they may be intercepted by area
and
point defense weapons--the target of an attack by LVC may choose to use
a
point defense or area defense die normally used against guided missiles
as a
secondary target die (instead of using "evading," "soft cover," or other
secondary die). LVC systems cost 4 x Class of weapon.
Weapon Close Mdm Long
LVC/1 2 4 6
LVC/2 3 6 9
LVC/3 4 8 12
LVC/4 5 10 15
LVC/5 6 12 18
Demo. Gun 2 4 6
Chit Validity
Against Reactive Armor RED chits only
Against all other armor types RED and YELLOW chits only
Against Infantry targets YELLOW chits only
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barclay, Tom" <tomb@bitheads.com>
To: "Gzg Digest (E-mail)" <GZG-L@csua.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 9:50 PM
Subject: [DS2] GMS/P and LPGs
> GMS/P
> =================
>
> Someone wrote some GMS/P rules for DS2 and I haven't seen them in my
> searches through the web pages.
>
> I assume it would use a guidance die reflecting its firecontrol
(basic,
enh,
> superior) and it would have a max range of ??? (guess at 1200-2000m
but
what
> is the max-range for Javelin or other GMS/P of today?). I assume it
would
> draw the same type of chit validity as GMS/L and GMS/H, but probably
only
1
> of them.
>
> And I have no clue what a system like this should cost in the hands of
a
two
> man team. Less than a farther ranged, harder hitting GMS/L for sure.
Oerjan
> the number-wise? Other math crunchies?
>
> LPG
> ================
> Any ideas on handling weapons like the 76mm and 90mm Low Pressure Guns
or
> the 165mm demolition gun? I was trying to design a cougar and a
scorpion
and
> just didn't have the right weapon to mount.... someone must have
thought
> about this (or have thoughts). Oerjan? Others?
>
>
> Tom.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Thomas R. S. Barclay
> Voice: (613) 722-3232 ext 349
> e-mail: tomb@bitheads.com
>
> Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies.
>
> Voltaire (1694-1778), on his death bed in response to a priest asking
that
> he renounce Satan.
> ------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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Subject: 15mm fig scans of Peter Pig miniatures
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From: Andy Cowell <andy@cowell.org>
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I added some scans of bare metal Peter Pig Modern Africa and Sci-Fi
15mm miniatures that arrived today from Brookhurst Hobbies (which I
ordered Friday, BTW-- one pack out of stock). The Africa stuff looks
pretty good, but the SF stuff is a bit too cartoony to me.
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Subject: Re: But I already suggested... Re: GZG-NCC (was Re: Winter War
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Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:41:21 -0500
Organization: Haphazard at best.
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:25:33 -0600, devans@uneb.edu wrote:
>...MCC - Mid Continent Convention. ;->=
>
>I see NCC in this context, and wonder if you're planning a con on the
>shores of Hudson Bay. *brrr*
Uh, just to be pedantic, Winnipeg is pretty darn close to the
geographical
centre of the continent. Winnipeg isn't much different from Hudson's
Bay. *G*
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Thanks Rob H! Your stuff actually seems to fit the bill nicely, with a
comment or two in return
You wrote:
Low Velocity Cannon
Finally, LVC/1 can be carried and fired by infantry heavy weapon teams
(in
this case, it represents a recoilless rifle).
==> Hmmm. I dunno. 8-10" would be the range I'd expect for an RR. And,
as an
aside, I'd guess that you have an ammo consideration for this team (same
with GMS/P team). And, as an extra bonus, this class of weapon has a
wide
range of ammo including some pretty nasty anti-infantry rounds. If you
have
anti-infantry rounds, you might be able to justify RED validity. There
should also be smoke, illum, incendiary, anti-armour (I think the one
you
described?), HEDP.
==> I think I might model the RR slightly differently. But I'm working
on a
scheme to model infantry fire ranges for the weapons systems to be
compatible with SG2 - that is to say to use somewhat similar ranges and
to
try to get unit quality into the range determination.
LVC come in all classes (from 1 to 5). The low muzzle velocity of the
LVC
rounds means that they may be intercepted by area and point defense
weapons--the target of an attack by LVC may choose to use a point
defense or
area defense die normally used against guided missiles as a secondary
target
die (instead of using "evading," "soft cover," or other secondary die).
==> Can you defend against an IAVR with PDS? I thought not. If not, is
an RR
that different? Hmmm. Though Oerjan has indicated modern PDS probably
should
be able to engage IAVRs too IIRC.
Demo. Gun 2 4 6
==> You'd only treat a demo gun as an LVC/4 for chits? I'd have thought
5.
That is one big mother (165mm!).
==> But thanks all the same, and I look forward to seeing your sight up
again soon Rob!
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