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Ummm... actually...

From: "Brian Bilderback" <bbilderback@h...>
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:30:44 PST
Subject: Ummm... actually...

Now that I read what you wrote and re-read the manual, I have to retract
my 
agreement with you.  The manual does not say laying the axis of fire
along 
the axis of the column, it says laying the beaten zone along the column.
As 
I said before, it further defines the beaten zone as where the shots
forming 
the come of dispersion strike.	The cone of dispersion is defined as "A 
conical shaped pattern formed by the trajectories of a group of shots
fired 
from the same weapon with the same sight setting."  Now, if I understand
the 
sight setting properly, that means where the weapon is when it fires.  
Therefore, the wider you swing your barrel from side to side, the wider
your 
cone of dispersion, and hence the longer your beaten zone.  Now, if
you're 
off to one side of a column of enemy soldiers/vehicles, and you swing
your 
barrel (whether a personal weapon, a SAW on a tripod, or a RFAC in a
turret) 
along that column as you fire, the axis of that column corresponds with
your 
beaten zone, and is therefore coming under Enfilade fire.  That was my 
point, and was the reason I was arguing that using the proposed strafing

rules for fire from ground units need not apply only to firing units in 
direct line with the column being attacked.  This is especially true
against 
harder targets, since carry-through of fire is not that effective
against 
thick-skinned vehicles. you want to be off to one side where you can
fire 
along the entire column.  Mind you, in DS II, given the ground scale,
the 
beaten zone should not be very long-- say 1 inch per class of weapon,
maybe 
even less, but still, it's an idea...

Brian Bilderback

"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis
is 
of no use."

				 - S. Freud

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Glover, Owen" <oglover@museum.vic.gov.au>
Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
To: "'gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU'" <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: RE: RFACS
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:04:59 +1000

Hi Brian,

Artillery fire is different to small arms fire. As the good manual
states,
Enfilade fire is laying the axis of fire on the long axis of a target.
Why
enfilade? Because the passage of rounds will likely strike a subsequent
body
if it misses (sometimes even if it hits!) a previous body. Actually
quite
different to "walking" artillery/mortar fire along a target.

Cheers,

Owen G

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Brian Bilderback [mailto:bbilderback@hotmail.com]
 > Sent: Monday, 14 February 2000 2:38 PM
 > To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
 > Subject: Re: RFACS
 >
 >
 > Why along the same line? The Guidebook for Marines (No, I
 > never was one, but
 > it's a good read) defines enfilade fire as "Fire delivered on
 > a target so
 > that the beaten zone of the fire coincides with the long axis
 > of the target
 > (fire in the direction of the length of a line or column)."
 > Sounds like
 > your definition, until you further read that the beaten zone
 > is defined as
 > "The space on the ground or target on which the shots forming
 > the cone of
 > dispersion strike." This is why in DS II an artillery beaten
 > zone can be
 > either along or perpendicular to the flight of the salvo.  In
 > the same way,
 > if a turreted vehicle were some distance off from a column of
 > infantry, and
 > perpendicular to the line of advance/axis of the column, and
 > walked it's
 > fire from one end of the column to the other, the entire
 > column would be
 > within it's beaten zone, and would be taking enfilade fire.
 >
 > Brian Bilderback
 >
 >
 >
 > ----Original Message Follows----
 > From: "Andrew Martin" <Al.Bri@xtra.co.nz>
 > Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
 > To: <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
 > Subject: Re: RFACS
 > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:49:26 +1300
 >
 > Andrew wrote:
 >  > The strafing rule could also apply to shooting along a column.
Each
 > element in column draws chits according to weapon class.
 >
 > Note that the shooting vehicle, VTOL or aerospace element/s
 > have to be in
 > line with the column. For example, along the same road, if a
 > German tank
 > ace.
 >
 > Andrew Martin
 > ICQ: 26227169
 > http://members.xoom.com/AndrewMartin/
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