RE: Obstacles, Part 2

I wouldn't set it up under fire either.  I was thinking more along the
lines of having it set up prior to game start.	Say, as part of your
withdrawal/defensive plan.

I knew what you meant by Engineers being Combat engineers.  Assault
Pioneers are infantry trained to do combat engineer tasks.  In the
Canadian army there is one platoon for every infantry battalion.  It
gives the bn cmd an engineer asset to be used at his/her discretion.

I hope this clears things up.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jatkins6@ix.netcom.com [SMTP:jatkins6@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 10:27 PM
> To:	FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
> Subject:	RE: Obstacles, Part 2
> 
> You wrote: 
> >
> >Sounds good.  Nothing an Assault Pioneer with a chainsaw could handle
> >;-).  Any thoughts on on rules for creating the abatis with charges?
> 
> Not something I'd want to do under fire.  C-4 can be so delicate if 
> shot at.  Short answer is yes, you should be able to. Two turns of
> work 
> by at least a full squad (2 Dirtside elements).  But if you take fire,
> 
> you are 1) Out in the open, no cover benifits, and 2)Roll d6 vs a 3.	
> If you can't beat or equal it, something catastrophic occours and 
> remove both elements.  If this occours and there are any surviving 
> engineer elements on the board, roll a reaction check at +1 Threat 
> level.  If the Engineers pass this reaction check, remove the command 
> vehicle because pissed-off engineers with leftover explosives do nasty
> 
> things to people who order them to commit suicide.  That's probably a 
> little bit high, but I'd strongly frown on anyone as callous to his 
> engineers as to order them to rig abatis under fire.	Honey, if it's 
> that vital, get someone expendable to do it, like infantry.  Or maybe 
> Redlegs.  Or cooks, or file clerks, or aviation.  
> 
> >We never had a chance to do it, but we did go over creating an abatis
> >using charges.  It would need time to be set, by Pioneers but 
> engineers >will do, and then could be activated within seconds.
> 
> Errr, um.  Disconnect on terms here.	When I say "Engineers" unless I 
> indicate differently, I mean Combat Engineers.  In the US Army, Combat
> 
> Engineers do all battlefield, combat-related missions, but are
> somewhat 
> short on heavy earthmoving equipment and other construction crap.  
> Sappers.  What the Germans call (used to call?) Assault Engineers 
> (minus the flame throwers).  What do you mean by Pioneers?
> 
> John M. Atkinson