Re: [?] Tournament Fleet Composition

You wrote: 

 Allow two >rounds of combat before missile launch and there aren't 
going to be many of >your ships left. Then my pinprick ships go after 
your heavies. They won't

Ummm. . . Do note that a missle has a launch range of 54 inches.  Why 
in God's Name would I get close enough for some C-battery-toting ship 
to shoot at me?  

>	Now if you have a house rule that allows PDAF's to attack any 
target in >range, then 1/6 (more if there is doubling up which there 

Then what's the point of taking ADAFs?	Indeed, what's the point of 
taking fighters?  At that point you're not playing Full Thrust.  You're 
playing "I HATE Fighters!" or whatever you call it.

>Allow ECM to degrade chances of a hit, then ADAF's and PDAF's from the

Anyone got some house rules on that put together?  I may want to 
suggest them to my group, but it helps to have them in writing.

>target ships (vanilla rules) and you can see that not a lot of 
missiles are >going to get through. And we still haven't considered the 

Yeah. . . "If we throw in 3 house rules and assume you're playing like 
an idiot by delaying your launch until spit distance".	When I used 
them, I launched at such long range that I ended up targeting two on a 
frigate because that was the only thing the edge of the line could 
reach.	Made a satisfying "puff!"

>capitals. Your swarm fleet is effective at 24" range and if you can 

Who told you that?  Missles.   Three turns endurance.  Times 18 inches 
movement.  I dunno about anyone else, but ships start our games at the 
same speed as the thrust of their slowest ship.  Which generally is 
two, unless you're one of those wierdos that likes pouring money into 
your drive systems.  (Which is a mistake--I've gamed against people 
with Thrust 6 Battleships.  Just not cost-effective.)  Makes it reaaaly 
easy to catch someone with a Turn 2 launch.

>	Now no doubt you'll argue that not all of your 6000pts (I have 
assumed >that you meant 6000pts a side which is really HUGE game) has 

Yeah.  It is.  What happens when the subgenius running the game 
advertises 2K points per person, five people show up, and the guy 
running the game hasn't got the brains to move into the next room and 
take over that table too.  Which was free.  *Sigh*  And has yet to come 
up with scenarios, but wants to start a campaign.  *Sigh*  Anyone in 
the NoVa/Southern MD area who's free during the days?  I work evenings, 
except Monday evenings.  Gamers only, please--if you play the game so 
you have an excuse to show off your nifty paint jobs, I hope you die an 
agonizing death soon.  I spray my ships grey and paint the bases black. 
 And that's _IT_.

>the swarm or capitals, that you have escorts and crusiers. But then I

Umm. . . Four capital ships.  No, five.  Includes a Carrier.  Lots of 
escorts and cruisers.

>P.S. It is a neat design and I might just take some with my other 
escorts >next time (he he he he he ha ha HA HA) :)

They are only scary if you take a lot of 'em.  Three or four would be a 
joke.  My rule of thumb is 6 per 1K points.  

John M. Atkinson