Re: What points systems are worth looking at?
From: Mikko Kurki-Suonio <maxxon@s...>
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:29:16 -0400
Subject: Re: What points systems are worth looking at?
On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, David Brewer wrote:
> What relatively good point systems do people know of that could
> provide a useful reference... for writing point systems for our
> beloved GZG games? Or games in general? What have you seen and
> liked (in part if not in whole)?
Ogre has a simple but working system (but it's a simple game too). It
has a number of "generic" scenarios.
Car Wars point system (dollars) takes another approach -- it's not
supposed to be balanced, optimization is the name of the game. This can
work as long as the players are experienced enough and like this sort of
Bidding systems are good (even Space Hulk used to have one), as long as
BOTH players are reasonably exprienced. If one is not, this is just
another way to bash newbies. It presents a problem with pre-design
It would be useful to pay for tactical flexibility. Not just sum of all
units, but extra for each independent unit. Thus you could go the soviet
way and increase manpower at the expense of flexibility.
> Also useful would be any system that spruces up a pick-up game
> where players can bring a pre-generated force to an unreferee'd
> game and arrive at something less than wholey bland.
There are big problems here:
Part of predesign's idea is the surprise factor.
Army lists can be too long and complex to fully comprehend in limited
I think you'd need a working point system as a base anyway... but this
could be made work.
Possibly a selection of pre-generated generic scenarios. Players would
then bid away troops for the right to choose the scenario and the side
play. Several variations can be thought of.
Or the agreed scenario could designate point ratios.
Simply swapping armies and playing it both ways is good a way to balance
the results, but could end up wasting twice the time in pointless
Buying tactical advantages with points? E.g. I have a 300-pt force, you
have 500pts. I get 200pts. to buy terrain, victory conditions etc.
> ...Also, since Stargrunt currently has no points system, maybe we
> could start writing one for that...
IMHO, it's not as important, as at this level, well a grunt's a grunt.
A simple mancount gets you pretty far.
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