Re: Re[2]: Points, Mass and FT3 [FAO MJE-JMT-GZG]

M.J.Elliott@uk22p.bull.co.uk wrote:
> 
> IIRC Jon has no commercial interest in producing fantasy rules. His
attitude
> has always been "How can a small company like mine compete with the
likes of
> GW?" JMT is SF through and through - and lets face it, with all the
stuff you
> want us to produce for our existing games systems, do you _really_
think he's
> got the time to branch out into another period? Forget it.
> 
> In the meantime, lets assume that JMT has no interest in Fantasy and
start work
> on a game based on the FMA concept. I will get confirmation from Jon
that he's
> happy about this, but I can't see any problem. If the worst comes to
the worst
> and he says he wants to do it then we simply off load the discussion
to that
> point as input to him. I rally think its unlikely though.
> 
> Count me in on the discussions please.
> 
> Mike Elliott
> 
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> Subject: Re: Points, Mass and FT3 [FAO MJE-JMT-GZG]
> Author:  SMTP:owner-ftgzg-l@bolton.ac.uk/ at INTERNET
> Date:    13/12/96 06:21
> 
> Ok Alan I'm in, if we can get a few more people to help with the
design
> and background.  How do you want to run this?  I think a good starting
> place would be the overall game concept, ie. scale, morale based,
> representation on the tabletop.  From there we can deduce the types of
> mechanics we need, and finaly knock around a background.
> 
> BTW if this gets going I think we should handle it through personal
email,
> and only post general questions and surveys to the mail list.  It is
> afterall an FT mailing list.
> 
> So to all of you who want the chance to have input on a Fantasy set of
> rules using FMA (If Jon is okay with it) jump on the band wagon now,
and
> well starter up and see if she's got any gas.
> BTW I also think that any set of rules, no matter how good they are,
and
> hey they could stink, should be public domain for those intrested.
> 
> My email is
> u1a00458@mail.wvnet.edu
> Joe Noll
> 
> ----------
> > From: Allan Goodall <agoodall@sympatico.ca>
> > To: FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
> > Subject: Re: Points, Mass and FT3 [FAO MJE-JMT-GZG]
> > Date: Thursday, December 12, 1996 10:26 PM
> >
> > At 01:37 PM 12/12/96 -0800, Brian wrote:
> > >> IMHO I think A Mass Battle Fantasy Game is in order.  I know its
been
> all
> > >> Sci-fi until now, but JT has a knack for representing complicated
> varibles
> > >> in simple and consice game mechanics; and nowhere is this needed
more
> than
> > >> in the Fantasy gameing genere.  And you have got to admit alot of
> players
> > >> play fantasy.  It may be a good business move, if he can get
alittle
> of
> > >> that disgruntled Games Workshop (TM) crowd.
> > >
> > >I cannot tell you how fantastic this would be... Jon, if you get
wind
> of
> > >this, sign me up for a copy now!
> >
> > I wouldn't hold my breath. As much as I'd love this, I seem to
remember
> a
> > comment from Jon that he's not all that interested in Fantasy.
> >
> > This is unfortunate. There's a thread on rec.games.miniatures.misc
with
> a
> > few WHFB arguing it's worth while the rest of us argue against the
fowl
> > spawn of the evil GW (can't tell which side I'm on, huh?). What is
> becoming
> > obvious is, to paraphrase Churchill, WHFB is the worst fantasy
battle
> game
> > available, except for all the others.
> > There really aren't any really good fantasy battle rules. I hate
WHFB
> > reliance on super figures and it's style-over-substance attitude. I
> enjoy
> > Hordes of the Things, but it's really too small and there's a
certain
> lack
> > of flavour. I haven't tried a fantasy variant to DBM, but I'd prefer
> > something more "official" and written with fantasy in mind.
Leviathan
> looks
> > to be an oversized skirmish set (which is, really, what WHFB is all
> about).
> > I have Martin Hackett's Fantasy Wargaming, but it's not well
distributed
> > (and might be out of print). The only other set I've seen is
Legendary
> > Battles by the writers of the Canadian Wargaming Journal.
> >
> > We really need a good, solid, intelligent, non-partisan fantasy
wargame.
> > Something definitive, like Fire and Fury or Johnny Reb are
definitive
> ACW
> > games, Harpoon is the definitive modern naval game, and (as if it
needs
> to
> > be said) FT is the definitive fleet starship combat game. If anyone
can
> do
> > it, it's Jon.
> >
> > Hmm, here's an idea. How about a project team to build a FMA style
> fantasy
> > game, to be distributed free of charge on the net, but only if Jon
has
> no
> > interest in fantasy? With the people available on this list, I'm
sure we
> > could come up with something that could easily compete with WHFB.
> >
> > Allan Goodall:  agoodall@sympatico.ca
> > "You'll want to hear about my new obsession.
> >  I'm riding high upon a deep depression.
> >  I'm only happy when it rains."    - GarbageI would also be
interested in discussions on the FMA fantasy system. 
Keep my email in whatever discussions there are off list about the game. 

Gary A. Ballard
gdaddy@misnet.com