Re: [GZG] Artillery considerations

I think that for SG, modular vehicles reproducing designs in DS would
be best. I wouldn't buy a 15mm artillery gun just as an objective for
a stargrunt force, but I might buy a spare turret for a generic
chassis that matches my DS figure for that purpose.

On 7/9/08, John Lerchey <lerchey@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> Well, such units might be less viable/necessary for SG:AC, but I do
want them for DS. So please feel free to not bother in 15mm and make
them in 6mm.  <duck>
>
> :)
>
> J
>
> >> I tend to put the artillery unit on a side table, or behind the
> >> baseline.	I also put out ammo tenders, AA/ADS, CBS, command, and
any
> >> other assets in the unit.	In the event that there a counter
battery
> >> mission, I want to be able to actually move the minis if they're
gonna
> >> scoot.
> >>
> >> Besides, it's a miniatures game.  I want miniatures. :)
> >
> >
> > Excellent! As producers of miniatures, that's what I like to hear! 
;-)
> >
> > On a serious note, all the responses to this question do give me
some
> > guidance as to whether it is commercially worth us making actual
minis of
> > heavy artillery, SLAM vehicles and such which are never likely to
appear
> > on the Main Table in a typical game.
> >
> > Jon (GZG)
> >
> >>
> >> That all said, I play in 6mm and do DS, not SG.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >>> Just a quick question to all, related to this subject:
> >>>
> >>> When you use off-table artillery (in any game system or period),
do
> >>> you represent it by actual minis kept behind the baseline, or does
it
> >>> just exist on paper? With my commercial hat on, obviously I'd
rather
> >>> that folks used models for it, so we can sell the arty pieces and
stay
> >>> in business... ;-) This is, I guess, the major reason why FoW (for
> >>> example) uses it's odd logarithmic ground scale compression and
> >>> insists on all artillery being on the table - so folks have to buy
and
> >>> deploy the models for it. Certainly for both aesthetics AND our
sales,
> >>> there is a good case for saying that off-table assets should be
> >>> modelled on a little "sub-table" diorama behind the player's
baseline.
> >>> Doing this also means that things like counter-battery and
airstrikes
> >>> against enemy artillery can actually be gamed out using the normal
> >>> rules rather than abstracted, if you so wish.
> >>>
> >>> Jon (GZG)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I've seen one of Ryan's CB fire missions before, they're brutal.
:)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> However, much of this will depend on the type of battle you're
> >>>> having. On a sparsely inhabited planet, you're probably not going
to
> >>>> have a huge army on the ground; the force represented by the DS
army
> >>>> could well be the entire thing. In that situation I might not
have
> >>>> the luxury of deploying my artillery far behind my lines, because
> >>>> I'd want my main force to be able to cover them and the small
force
> >>>> would be easy to out maneuver. So there would be a valid
rationale
> >>>> for having the artillery deployed on-table.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert Mayberry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 8, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Ground Zero Games wrote:
> >>>>>> The simplest way is probably to say that off-table assets have
> >>>>>> to penetrate off-table defences (area defence and
counterbattery
> >>>>>>  systems), but on-table support has to be dealt with (or not)
> >>>>>> by on-table defences (close-in point defence).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Except that flies in the face of the doctrine of putting your
> >>>>> counter battery forwards and your main support fires to the
rear.
> >>>>> That way the rear guns are further away from MOST of your
enemy's
> >>>>> counter battery guns and your counter battery guns have more
> >>>>> chances to be in range of the enemy counter battery guns.
> >>>>> Personally, I think a size class should denote range, but
> >>>>> generally for simplicity, I'd consider
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. man portable mortars to be tabletop only 2 towed and or SP
> >>>>> tube artillery to be table top plus off table 3 off table to be
> >>>>> Table/off Table for range. PLUS Depending on desires, MULTIPLE
> >>>>> artillery units could be called on for a given mission if
spotted
> >>>>> by an artillery observer element. This would parallel something
> >>>>> that at least the British could do in WWII. Basically organize a
> >>>>> stonk or fire mission using a battery, A regiment, an AGRA, a
> >>>>> whole Corps, or every tube that's in range. Getting the upper
> >>>>> orders called down on you was what kept a LOT of germans from
> >>>>> shooting at the British Observer aircraft. (You REALLY didn't
want
> >>>>> to piss him off). Essentially, you activate as many units as you
> >>>>> want and place those counters on the target as you want. They're
> >>>>> all activated and do what they're going to do (shoot and scoot
or
> >>>>> fire and sit pat). Resolve multiple battery's barrage all at the
> >>>>> same time as you would one. This allows you to more precisely
> >>>>> control the difference between a harassment mission, a
> >>>>> neutralization mission or one in which you want it DEAD (a
> >>>>> material mission).
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