Re: [OT] Free CalTex Interplanetary Federation in the making,
From: Dances With Rocks <kochte@s...>
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:28:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [OT] Free CalTex Interplanetary Federation in the making,
Brian B wrote:
> --- Indy <email@example.com> wrote:
> > I've been [slowly] working on the Hawai`ian Free
> > State (HFS),
> > but it did not include Midway (too far away).
> I envision a background in which the split-up of the
> US is a lot less bloody than a Second Civil Wa (the
> regional and factional conflicts come later), and the
> initial mutual defense pact, while short-lived, does
> provide for some of the states to be assisted in
> holding slightly far-flung territories, such as Hawaii
> and Midway, until such a point that these territorial
> claims are well-established and the smaller countries
> capable of holding them on their own. Hawaii in my
> background holds onto Midway for political and
> cultural reasons, I haven't figured out yet how to
> make it a viable holding economically or
I figured the split of Hawai`i from mainland U.S. would be pretty
bloodless (not totally, but moreso than not). Hawai`i is pretty durn
far out there, and in the overall scheme of things on the mainland
here, it is a separate country unto itself already [present day; I mean,
the Weather Channel barely acknowledges they exist, and CNN rarely
if ever reports anything about them, to say nothing of other "national"
agencies; everyone here on the mainland kinda just ignores Hawai`i
for the most part).
If Hawai`i can hold onto Midway against the IJN or OUDF, then I could
see them keeping it for themselves. But I think the IJN and OUDF
or not the NAC exist in your universe as Jon T has them) would quite
possibly make a case (political or militarily) for Midway themselves.
because they will be grabbing up all the other lonely islands in the
IJN because they'll probably want some kind of far-range observation
in the Pacific extending towards the Americas. I think (personally)
would have a difficult time holding onto Midway; it wouldn't have a lot
the resources to extend themselves too much further beyond the main
> > Midway I'm not totally sure where they would fall.
> > Perhaps as
> > a military outpost of the NAC, perhaps as an
> > acquisition of
> > the OUDF or IJN. Not real sure, but the HFS probably
> > wouldn't
> > have the resources or military might to hold onto
> > anything that
> > far out. Possibly partway, on some of the smaller
> > atolls, but
> > probably not as far as Midway itself. I personally
> > still see
> > that as a NAC military installation, but...
> ... but as this is a discussion of a NAC-free non-Tuffleyverse.......
Ah, well, then replace "NAC" with your favorite evil good superpower.