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Re: FW: FW: MP organization

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:38:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FW: FW: MP organization


--- David Rodemaker <dar@horusinc.com> wrote:

> that that they'll be prime candidates for civilian
> policing when they get
> out.	In general, this is not the case.

I don't know about MPs in specific, but of the
many-many soldiers I know, I'd have to say that anyone
who makes a good field soldier would probably not make
a good cop.  Wrong mindset.  Besides, if you want to
be a cop that bad, find a police force that's hurting
for cops and join it, not the Army.

> wrote the TOE and prove me wrong.  <shrug>  Fact is,
> it's stupid.	Reality
> is that they were probably trying to cut costs.

That seems to be at the root of a lot of stupid MTOE
issues.

> supposed to be able to operate as individual 3 man
> teams, 24/7.	Which
> essentially means two up, one down.  Another piece
> of doctrine with which I
> thoroughly disagree.

Uh, I've done 24 hours ops long enough to know that if
"down" is defined as trying to snooze in the back of
the truck while the other two pull missions, it ain't
going to work.

> PSG should get a cargo hummer, and the rest of our
> imaginary HQ squad should
> have a maintenance vehicle - probably another cargo
> hummer given the current
> selection of available vehicles.

Hrm.  Now we've got 12 vehicles in a platoon.

We've almost got a company's worth of vehicles to go
with our company's worth of machine guns.  :)

How about this:  Commo guy is with the PL since she's
running around making the rounds of her teams--Commo
guy can do preventive maint on radios while PL is
doing LT stuff. The medic rides in the back of the
PSG's HMMWV since casualty evacuation is his job, or
maybe the PL as needed, although an uparmored HMMWV is
lousy for casualty evac.  The mechanic gets promoted
to buck sergeant and gets a mechanic EM to drive his
contact truck-version HMMWV.  The PSG now doesn't need
a gunner.  Since we're dreaming, it looks like this:

1xUp-armored HMMWV with Mk19 on top: PL, MP Driver,
Commo guy, MP Gunner.  3xM16s (maybe give Commo guy a
-203?), 1xSAW (for gunner to lug when dismounted),
3x9mm.
1xCargo HMMWV: PSG, MP Driver, Medic.  2xM-16s, 3x9mm.
1xContact Truck HMMWV: Mechanic NCO, Mechanic, 2xM16s.

9 troops and 3 trucks instead of 3 and 1.

> brigade, but that unit has a radically different
> structure than the MP
> platoons we've been discussing so far.  

Which structure we'll never see on the wargaming table
(if things have dropped in the pot that badly it's no
longer an interesting scenario).

> I won't further complicate matter by getting into a
> discussion of CID and *it's* wierd structures at the
> moment.

Also not useful on the tabletop.  :)

John

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