Re: Hmmm.... Was Re: OK OK I Give! (Was Powers)

>From: KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de (K.H.Ranitzsch)
>Reply-To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
>To: <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu>
>Subject: Re: Hmmm.... Was Re: OK OK I Give! (Was Powers)
>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:24:45 +0100
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brian Bilderback" <bbilderback@hotmail.com>
>
> > 2. To really stick it to the LLAR.	Native groups in South America
are
> > extremely oppressed, it is well-documented.  By encouraging these
groups
>to
> > seek independence, they create a new enemy for the LLAR (The enemy
of my
> > enemy....).
>
>As a statement about the real-world situation referring to ALL Native
>American groups in present-day South Amereica,

WHERE do you see the word ALL in my words above?  I am simply saying
that 
the problem is present in enough places to give rise to the possibility
of 
at least one or two groups being friendly to the CNP goals.  However, to
be 
fair, for the most part the CNP WILL be North American Native groups.

>this is quite an
>exaggeration. There are severe problems in many places, but some white,
>black or mixed groups suffer similarly, and elsewhere, Indios are the
>majority ad have considerable cultural and political influence.
>

True enough, but there are enough opressed groups to make it
interesting.  
It would be interesting to see what would really happen if you tried to
band 
all the peoples and governments of South America together.  They are not
a 
homogenous people, and many of the countries down there have quite a bit
of 
animosity towards each other.  I'm sure the tension between euro- and
indio- 
Latinos would be measurable.

>In the GZG universe, you can of course make up what you like.

Also, the GZG universe will allow for further propaganda campaigns that 
might skew Indians to view things as my history timeline propounds.

Note however,
>that I have done website on the LLAR.
>http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/lira/main.html

I read it.  Interesting that you have them claiming but not holding 
territories on Earth.  This would make it much easier to implement an 
outer-space colonial Indian nation, since the NAC would have access to
all 
the groups.  In addition, in the game, characters might ask how much of
your 
website is how it REALLY is, and how much is LLAR propaganda?

>Here, the active contribution of Native American groups such as the
Kechua
>and Guarani is positve and substantial.

See above comment re: propaganda.

> >  We  encourage Native tribes from the LLAR (eg Miskitos, Yanomami)
to 
>join
>as  well."
>
>Ofcourse, in such a diverse universe, there is enough opportunity for
some
>groups to settle their own worlds :-)
>
> > (These LLAR Indians would be used in LLAR mostly for slave labor,
I'm
>guessing).
>
>A pretty wild guess - do I detect some anti-Latino bias here ? -

None whatsoever, and I resent the implication.	I am merely trying to 
present a view that would be held by the citizens of my power, however 
correct or incorrect it might be.

>Slavery has
>been outlawed in Latin America, like everywhere else, since the 19th
>century.

It may be outlawed, but it still exists, albeit in different forms that
are 
not recognized as "slavery".

>Harsh labour conditions do exist in places, admittedly.

Harsh and not always voluntary.  There may not be slavery in the form of
one 
individual owning another, but there IS government oppression, and
laborers 
who feel they are exploited.  Perhaps I should have avoided the word 
slavery, since in it's literal meaning it does not exist.  But
oppression 
still does for many indians.

>Whether
>economic progress in the future will eliminate these is anyone's guess,
but
>it is the (optimistic) assumption I made in my website.
>

Overly optimistic, IMO.

Brian

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