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Off-topic--22LR vs other calibers

From: carlparl@j... (Carl J Parlagreco)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:45:31 -0400
Subject: Off-topic--22LR vs other calibers

Here's a quote from a Kentucky law enforcement officer from a few years
back:

"It's not these guys with assault rifles that scare me. It's the guy
that's been popping squirrels with a single-shot 22 since he was a
toddler that I worry about."

His point being that he considered the person with lots of training and
experience more of a threat than the guy with the 'better' firearm.
On Wed, 20 May 1998 20:54:29 +0300 (EET DST) Mikko Kurki-Suonio
<maxxon@swob.dna.fi> writes:
>On Wed, 20 May 1998, Thomas Barclay wrote:
>
>> I take your point, but I don't want to be unduly sarcastic in 
>> suggesting that a doctor (another "real" professional) might choose 
>a 
>> scalpel, but I don't think anyone was speaking in such terms. 
>
>I thought it self-evident I was talking about professional *killers*. 
>I'll
>try to make a point of being more specific in the future. And make 
>that
>firearm of choice. 
>
>> No army I'm aware of has made the .22LR or the .22 short the calibre 
>
>> of choice for issue sidearms. 
>
>No army I'm aware of uses .600 H&H Nitro Express either, but that 
>doesn't 
>mean any of these rounds couldn't kill a man. 
>
>> Most military spec ops probably use 
>> either a silenced .45 or a silenced 9mm with low velocity rounds for 
>
>> controllability and tissue damage if they are using pistols at all. 
>
>They don't use pistols at all if they can help it. 9mm and .45 (and 
>all 
>pistols with non-fixed barrel) are incredibly prone to malfunction 
>with 
>the weight of the silencer attached -- nevermind that an effective 
>silencer also obscures your sights and is long enough to turn your 
>pistol 
>into a stockless SMG. Better take a silenced MP5 if you can.
>
>But still, "hush-puppies" are often .22LR guns.
>
>> 5.56 NATO is an Assault Rifle round for modern infantry combat. 
>.22LR 
>> is a varmit hunting round - you wouldn't use it on wild boar, deer, 
>> bear, or the like.
>
>Actually, .22LR is good enough to administer coup-de-grace to elk. 
>
>> In truth, it isn't the size, calibre or capability of the weapon 
>that 
>> makes it dangerous, its the carrier. His training, skill, and 
>> experience can turn a .22 LR into a one-shot mankiller, or turn a 
>> 7.62mm full auto weapon into a combat ineffective ammo burner. 
>
>Well, I agree. If could have perfect shot placement all the time, even
>relatively wimpy rounds will do. But usually undcer battlefield 
>conditions
>you have to take any hit you can, and have a weapon powerful enough to
>make most of it. 
>
>I believe I already addressed the stopping power vs. killing power 
>issue.
>
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