Re: [GZG] QUESTION: are SAWs becoming less significant...?

Jon,

I have been waiting for those with more recent experience to chime in. 
I agree with the others though, the SAW will continue to improve in the
same ways as the rifle so that when we move to Gauss and Energy weapons
we will have a larger version that fires either more rapidly, with more
power or for longer periods - the SAW.	Unless there is some physical
limit I think that a larger base of fire weapon will continue.	If it
exists, it gets used.  

Bob Makowsky

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From: Ground Zero Games <jon@gzg.com>
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Subject: Re: [GZG] QUESTION: are SAWs becoming less significant...?

>On Jan 31, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Ground Zero Games wrote:
>>
>>  Do SAWs become less significant in terms of the overall firepower of
>>  a squad or fireteam, as the tech level of the individual soldiers'
>>  weapons increases?
>
>I'd say no.  Perhaps the name changes from SAW (Sq. Auto. Weapon) to 
>SSW (Sq. SUPPORT Wpn) but I'd think the infantry squad will always 
>have something special to anchor their tactics around.
>
>This may not be the case for non-infantry or specialized troops who 
>only have their standard issue rifle.	Having said that back in my 
>Arty days we actually had quite a few M-60s and M-203s.  203s I could 
>understand but 60's?  I mean really now -- we had at least thirteen .
>50's spread throughout the battery...	Oh well.
>
>D.

Thanks Damo (and Beth) for your input, anyone else want to chime in?

To put it more in game terms, what I'm trying to decide is whether to 
always have a SAW/SSW adding the same percentage to a squad's overall 
firepower, or adding a fixed number so that the % drops as the tech 
level increases. To explain this a bit more by putting some 
(arbitrary at this stage) numbers to it:

Let's just assume for this example that a fireteam's base firepower 
(by weapons tech only, before modifying for troop quality) is 1 for 
PRIMITIVE weapons, 2 for BASIC and so on up to 5 for ADVANCED.	This 
is for a team armed with individual weapons ("rifles") only.

Primitive (bolt-action rifles)		      Base FP = 1
Basic (semi-auto rifles and early automatic rifles)	   Base FP = 2
Enhanced (improved automatic rifles)		Base FP = 3
Superior (gauss and energy weapons)	       Base FP = 4
Advanced (very-high-tech energy weapons)	Base FP = 5

Now, we add a SAW/SSW to the team. If we say that the SAW increases 
its effectiveness in proportion to the tech level (fixed %), and for 
the sake of argument we assume that the SAW's output doubles the raw 
firepower of the team,	then:

Primitive WITH SAW/SSW		      Base FP = 2
Basic WITH SAW/SSW		  Base FP = 4
Enhanced WITH SAW/SSW		     Base FP = 6
Superior WITH SAW/SSW		     Base FP = 8
Advanced WITH SAW/SSW		     Base FP = 10

OR, if we assume that the SAW/SSW becomes less of a % factor as the 
tech level increases, and decide to represent it by a fixed number 
(let's say +2) on the team's FP:

Primitive WITH SAW/SSW		      Base FP = 3
Basic WITH SAW/SSW		  Base FP = 4
Enhanced WITH SAW/SSW		     Base FP = 5
Superior WITH SAW/SSW		     Base FP = 6
Advanced WITH SAW/SSW		     Base FP = 7

I'm trying to decide which option to go for on this, for working out 
fireteam base firepower output for SG:AC......

Feel free to discuss further!  ;-)

Jon (GZG)

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