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Re: [GZG] FT: Modern Naval

From: "Brian Burger" <blurdesign@g...>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:45:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [GZG] FT: Modern Naval

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Richard Bell <>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Thomas Pope <> wrote:
>> 2) The pulse combat model.  FT models WWI dreadnought battles
decently well.
>> It models WWII battles with carriers and screens quite well for a
>> game.  In both of those models the combat model is similar.	Ships
can take
>> a number of hits from almost any weapon and keep fighting.  In
contrast, a
>> modern warship can maybe take two missile hits before it is a mission
>> but I wouldn┬╣t count on it.
> I am not entirely sure that FT models WWI naval battles very well.
> The dreadnought era has too many really big guns with huge arcs and FT
> lacks a mechanism for modelling plunging fire.  It is really suited
> for predreadnought naval battles.  The vessels even had similar
> designs to FT ships-- some big guns for long range plinking, some
> medium guns for when the range closes, and a light battery to fend off
> torpedo boats.  Even better, most of the guns only fired in two, or
> three arcs.

And just like dreadnaughts would munch pre-dreads, a more specialized
all-big-gun ship is going to be bad news for the "take one of
everything" designs.

For examples, see FB1 - the NSL's Maria von B. BB has a *higher* throw
weight (beam dice rolled) than a Von Teg. SDN, which has to be the
epitome of the "take one of everything" school of design.

A Von T SDN gutted and re-gunned with the MvB's philosophy would be a
scary beast indeed, especially if you allowed the design to be
vector-specialized (ie narrower firing arcs than most FB ships).

There's a similar issue with the NAC's FB1 designs - the Victoria BB
outguns everything bigger than it in the NAC line...

The ESU's Komarov SDN is the only "all big gun" design there, really.
Beam 4 means being able to reach out and touch someone...

Pre-dread "take a few of everything" design philosophy does seem to be
rampant in the Fleet Books.

Somewhere in my FT notes I have a set of designs where everything down
to heavy cruisers has B4s jammed into it. Only ran a few of the
designs, but they're *fun* - "OK, I have a dozen dice at 48"... yes, I
know you have nothing that can respond, and your fighters just got
eaten by my integrated PDS..."

...who is suddenly thinking he should paint that NSL squadron that's
be half-assembled for about four years...

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