Re: [GZG] Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi!

John Tailby wrote:

> >Just for laughs, take a look at the original WarHammer Fantasy box
which
> >came complete with cardboard cut-out figures for the intro
scenario... :-)
> >
> >But of course you will disregard that example since GW stopped doing
that
> >many editions ago <shrug>
>
>My what a hornet's nest...
>
>I think this is a great example..
>
>When there were no figures that were available to support the scenario,

>IIRC this was the one that looks like the 7 Samurai homage with hero's 
>played by the players and a host of Slann attacking. At that time I
don't 
>think GW made the appropriate figures to support the scenario so why
not 
>include carboard substiutes.

AFAIK GW had photos of and ads for both Slann and Dwarf warrior
miniatures 
in White Dwarf at the time, so I'd be somewhat surprised if they didn't 
also make said miniatures
:-)

And then of course there's WH40K Rouge Trader, with its articles on how
to 
build grav tanks out of schampoo bottles and how to come up with
reasonable 
WH40K stats for them...

>I don't doubt that all games companies play test with proxy models. GW
had 
>some of Andy Chambers conversions and scratchbuilds for the orkish BFG 
>ships in one of the White Dwarfs.

There's a minor difference here though: when BFG was being playtested,
GW 
hadn't yet produced any BFG ship models so AC didn't have much choice
but 
to use proxies. When FB2 was being playtested OTOH, the GZG alien ships
had 
already been available for several years :-/

(Of course, Andy being Andy I'd fully expect him to use whatever
miniatures 
he likes anyway as long as it doesn't get published anywhere - it's not 
like GW is going to censure *him* for using the "wrong models" in his
games 
:-/ )

>I think WYSIWIG is an important part of gaming. I want to know what the

>models are and be able to recognise the force disposition at a glance.

Then you are lucky to have good eyesight. Even with 28+mm figures I have
to 
pick them up and hold them a few inches from my eye to see their exact 
equipment, so in games where the unit's exact equipment is important I
rely 
on unit data sheets anyway. The WYSIWYG aspect is thus almost completely

irrelevant for me.

Regards,

Oerjan
orjan.ariander1@comhem.se

"Life is like a sewer.
  What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it."
-Hen3ry

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