Re: ACE question for John A

At 8:54 AM -0700 8/29/02, John Atkinson wrote:
>Once upon a time (during the 1950s) there was this
>woman (can we call her a dippy broad?) [No, dammit, we
>can't call her a dippy broad.	It's a bedtime story]
>(for wargamers!) [NO].  She was approached by
>{knuckle-dragging self-propelled sandbags) [Shut Up]

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No wonder you hate the thing so much. Al under-pan for an engineer 
vehicle? It sounds like the only proper way to get a good set of 
combat engineer vehicles is buy what the British have and stick it on 
a M1 Chassis or buy their system off the shelf. It'd be better than 
nothing (for the logistics headache) and would work.

The Brits have been building combat engineer kit since Percy Hobart 
started building his Funnies. Of course at that time the US Army 
brass didn't want tanks that only did things a bulldozer would do. 
The end result was dead Americans on Utah and Omaha.

The US did call on the Brits and their Funnies to deal with the 
Cherbourg fortifications. Typucally an AVRE and a crocodile was what 
worked. The AVRE cracked the bunker and then the Churchill flamed it. 
According to some accounts having the Churchill roll up and 
demonstrate its flame thrower range and capacity was enough to get 
bunker defenders to start walking out with their hands up.

 From the Brit MV mags I've read they are keeping up the legacy. The 
new generation of BARV is impressive. They still use fascines and 
still use the AVRE in modern forms as well as AVLBs.
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