Re: CNP and TTN (Was Hmmm.... Was Re: OK OK I Give! (Was Powers))

>From: Noam Izenberg <noam.izenberg@jhuapl.edu>
>Reply-To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
>To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
>Subject: CNP and TTN (Was Hmmm.... Was Re: OK OK I Give! (Was Powers))
>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:05:06 -0500
>
>Brian,
>
>I like the idea for the CNP, and its alliances and enemies.
>Realistically, though, I'd imagine they'd only hold one world. They
>could have colonies on multi-national planets, but they might be averse
>to that given their history of being on the wrong side of "sharing"
land
>for centuries.

I'd like to have at least a couple of worlds, for playability (gives me
more 
places to stage battles and therefore games).  The way the NAC helped
them 
get started makes it a bit more plausible. It would also cut down on 
inter-tribal tension, since they'd be able to place tribes with
EXTREMELY 
volatile histories on different worlds.

>I can also see the CNP and TTN having a rocky relationship - sometimes
>good, sometimes bad. The CNP will sometimes be perceived as a NAC
puppet
>regime and therefore part of the system that necessitated the TTN.

True, although the CNP's attitude is that since the white man always has
and 
probably still will try to use Indians for their own ends, it's about
time 
the Indians returned the favor - the CNP's just beating the whites at
their 
own game (similar rationale behind Indian Casinos, no?)

>Sometimes ancient tribal; rivalries will come out. Sometimes the common
>enemy ( more blatant oppressors like the LLAR and ESU) will overwhelm
>other differences.

The LLAR especially, in the eyes of the CNP.

>Would be nice if the CNP and TTN were reasonably proximate so they
could
>interact. I put the TTN on Alshain, which off a bit from the main
>concentrations of Humanity. Check Nyrath the Magnificent's maps. He can
>help you find a good location regardless.

I shall do that.  Given my history, I'll need to find somewhere
reasonably 
close to both NAC AND LLAR space.

>TTN's initial primary income source was and remains gambling. Wherever
>"Indian Casinos" are allowed, they proliferate. TTN makes no bones
about
>using their casinos as profit centers, but I'm sure that's liable to
>annoy states who want to appear more "legitimate" or less "shady".

I'm thinking the CNP would take a similar course, along with
establishing 
support industries to sell goods, supplies, and refit services to NAC
forces 
stationed in or passing through CNP space.

> > Each people group would be given a certain planet/area/colony, and
>would
> > have internal autonomy, while a UN-like council would make decisions
> > concerning foreign affairs, and a joint m,ilitary would be
responsible
>for
> > most defense and military issues.  The Indians would consider this
>model a
> > direct descendant of the Five Nation Confederation used by Native
>Americans
> > in the Northeast in pre-colonial and colonial America.
>
>That's exactly the model used for the TTN - more in commonalities
there,
>though the TTN may be less efficient, trying to tie together a large
>number of extremely different cultures, some of whom are vigorously
>preserving ancient and primitive traditions.

I'm still debating just how many tribes would be involved.  I'm set on
the 
Miskitos from Central America, as well as the indians involved in the 
Zapatista movement in southern Mexico (I'm sure their efforts helped the
NAC 
take that part of the continent, and the NAC was happy to reward them). 
I 
also have in mind PNW tribes like the Kwaikyutl, the Nez Perce, etc. 
The 
Warm Springs band here in Oregon is well organized, they'd probably do
quite 
well.

>From a later post:
> > Some of the tribes in the Amazon basin are still pretty close to
> > stone-age, their assimilation into the CNP might be the big
challenge.
>
>Leave them to the TTN. Alshain II has some nice jungles.

I'm guessing there are enough for both of us. Besides, I figured out how
to 
fit them in.  They'll be one of the 2 CNP colonies that fought for and
won 
it's freedom from the LLAR, not one of the colonies established with NAC

help.  They were dragged out in space to clear them from the Amazon, and

made slave labor in a LLAR colony.  They rose up and overthrew the 
European-descended lations who ran the colony, requested, and received
help 
from and inclusion in the CNP.

>For TTN ships, I've used primarily Freighter designs from Brigade
>models. It gives the appropriate low-tech/conversion feel for a small,
>primarily defensive navy.

I'll take a look at those.  They do have a minor force-projection 
capability, and are starting to produce a FEW ships of their own design.

>I'm also interested in learning more about Glenn's NPC.
>
>Noam R. Izenberg
>

Me too.

Brian

"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis
is 
of no use."

				 - S. Freud

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