Re: [DS, maybee SG] Odd questions

On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 07:09:46 +0200 Oerjan Ohlson
<oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> writes:
>Glenn Wilson wrote:
>
>> >2) No. Since they are different systems, You could not fire them as 
>a
>> >twin-mount. There seems very little reason to do mount both. If you
>> >could fire the Light, you could fire the Heavy, so why use the 
>lighter
>> >missile?
>>
>>No, they are both the same system, just as a MDC/1 and a MDC/5 are 
>the
>>same system.
>
>A MDC/1 and a MDC/5 are NOT "the same system" according to the 
>standard DS2 
>rules. This is explicitly stated on DS2 p.18, right-hand column, 
>second 
>paragraf from the bottom.

This is correctly quoted.  In "straight' DS2 one activation, one weapon
system/size.

 In order to fire two weapons from a single 
>vehicle in a single activation, they need to be the same type *and 
>class*.
>

See below.

>Regards,
>
>Oerjan
>oerjan.ohlson@telia.com
>
>"Life is like a sewer.
>  What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it."
>-Hen3ry
>

Funny, I look at page 8 where the label clearly says  DIRECT FIRE
WEAPONS
SYSTEMS (no shout, just a sub for Boldface type which I don't have...)

Under it are the words "...a number of systems are described below..."
followed by 
(Capitals  for Bold face type again)

1) RAPID FIRE AUTO CANNONS (RFACS)...
2) HIGH VELOCITY CANNONS (HVCS)...
3) HYPER KINETIC PENETRATORS (HKPS)...
4) MASS DRIVER CANNONS (MDCS)...
5) HIGH ENERGY LASERS (HELS)...
6) DIRECT FIRE FUSION GUNS (DFFGS)...
7) GUIDED MISSILE SYSTEMS (GMS)...
8) SALVO-LAUNCHED MISSILE PACKS (SLAMS)...

Systems.  There is no distinction between sizes of a system there.

Your point, however,  is taken also from  page 32 (caps for Bold face)

MULTIPLE WEAPON MOUNTS

where a multiple weapon mount *is* described (all bold face, caps as
caps) as 

"...two (or more) weapons of the same type and class..." 

where the assumption would logically be that "...type and class..."
should be [ "...size and system..." or, more likely]  "...system and
size..."  as the example "...two HKP/3s..." implies.  The editor must
have missed that... <grin>

This indeed also reinforces that you cannot (without a house rule) use a
HEL/1 and a DFFG/5 or use a HVC/5 and RFAC/1 in the same turret.  This
little bit of fluff (one of the few areas I *really disagree* with Jon
T.'s design of DS2 - my favorite SF Battle rules - and took his advice
and added a house rule) simply makes no sense, IMO,  except to perhaps
control munchkinism.  I would like to hear John's logic in this case but
it is not a area where I want to debate or argue (just make a house rule
<grin>) with anyone.  Just curiousity.

The cases in my campaign where I bypass this is always at a cost and
with
a "historical" reasoning.  I would not expect that kind of freedom in a
tournament or non-campaign game.  But it is as frustrating as (change
subject alert) not being able to do what historically was done in
Vietnam
- fire the APSW (MG) and the Main Gun (90mm) at infantry in the  same
(1-15 minute) turn.

Back to the original subject.  

In straight DS2 you *can* design such a turret but not fire both at the
same time.  And (there*is* at least one valid design reason for that!) 
A
DFFG/4 or 5 main weapon and a long range (36") anti-infantry weapon coax
mounted for one example.  

And systems, class, and size seem to be used intermittently
interchangeably. <g>

Gracias,
Glenn/Triphibious@juno.com
This is my Science Fiction Alter Ego E-mail address.
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