RE: [SG] Needle Weapons

Stupid Web Mail!
I wrote a nice response, but when I went to send it the web-mail timed
out
and disposed of the message!

Anyway, thank you for your feedback. Here is my responses:

First after thinking about it, lets drop the Needle SAW. If you need
that
much firepower, you would grab a regular SAW.

PSB I had for the needles was gauss projected needles (either spin or
fin
stabilized).

I figured that the Needle Pistol fired 10-20x the fire rate and area
coverage of a autopistol. Along the same lines, I figured the NAW would
fire
10-20x the rate of an AAR. It would fire slightly faster than a gauss
AAR
and the adjustable choke would allow for a larger coverage (adjusts to
have
each needle follow the same path or spread out in a shotgun like
pattern).
That is why I chose a higher firepower. But perhaps, the FP of the NAW
should be dropped to a FP of 3 (like the gauss AAR).

True, needles are lighter than bullets and do not travel as far with the
same accuracy. However, the system does not give a .50 calbur shell an
advantage in range over a .22, so I am unsure if it should have a range
penalty. Also, the GL is not seperated for range either. I would have
trouble believing that it is not less accurate at long range than the
AAR
that it is attacked to (let alone that an  elite can fire it 6000m away
[12"x5 range bands]). If we give it a penalty, it should be 1 down-shift
in
range band size (veterans use the range of regulars, and regulars use
green
ranges, etc. = 2" less rb).

Due to the high rate and spread of fire, perhaps these weapons should
shift
up 2 in a close assault (like a shotgun)?

So revised:
		   Range     FP   Impact
Needle Pistol:	    Close     2      d4
NAW:			      3      d6
Needle SAW:				  [removed]

As for why this weapon would be suited for police and security is the
lower
leathality and penetration of the weapons. They would have a less chance
of
damaging sensitive equipment and structures (such as the sides of an
aircraft) and less chance of causing collateral deaths.

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
[mailto:owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU]On Behalf Of Michael Brown
Sent: April 17, 2001 09:39
To: 'gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu'
Subject: RE: [SG] Needle Weapons

Initial look says lots of suppressions, not many casualties.

I was thinking for the Needle Weapons:
		   Range     FP   Impact	Suggested FP   
Suggested Impact
Needle Pistol:	    Close     2      d4 	1.5		d4
NAW:			      4      d6 		3.5	       
d6
Needle SAW:		     d12     d6 		d10	       
d8

Reasoning:	I lowered the FP to tone this down a touch.  As posted 2
men with
NAW have the same FP as a squad of Riflemen.  I think the higher ROF of
the
SAW
would account for more chances to wound.

Michael Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
[mailto:owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU]On Behalf Of steve@pugh.net
Sent: April 17, 2001 09:44
To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [SG] Needle Weapons

All look okay to me except the FP4 for the NAW. FP is a measure of a
lot of things, (including the accuracy of the weapon and light
projectiles like needles tend to be inaccurate) and I just can't see
needle rifle having a better firepower than a gauss rifle/grenade
launcher.

Can it really have a higher rate of fire than a gauss rifle AND a
greater area of potential hits than a 30mm grenade AND have both of
those quantities in large enough amounts to counter act the poor
accuracy of the needles?

If someone fits a grenade launcher to the NAW do they get FP5?

If you do go with such a high FP then I'd suggest some sort of
penalty to account for the poor accuracy (and poor range - light
projectiles with probably lowish muzzle velocity). Say a die shift to
the targets' range die?

Of course it may all depend on what PSB you're using. What propels
the needles? What, if anything, stabalises them in flight?

	Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
[mailto:owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU]On Behalf Of
KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de
Sent: April 17, 2001 09:57
To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [SG] Needle Weapons

Just curious: Why do you think needle weapons would be especially
suited for this purpose ?

Greetings