RE: [SG] Close Assault Questions

No. To make the assault, it is only based on the unit's confidence
level.

To stand against the assault, the odds are used.

So the single CO/Vet/1 could attack at TL 0.
The 8 CO/Grn/3's would roll to stand the assault at TL+1.

If the situation is reversed (8 CO/Grn/3's attack a single CO/Vet/1),
the
Greens would roll to assault at TL0 and the Vet would roll to stand at
TL+8.

In either case (if the defender stands), the Vet need only roll 7 or
better
to kill all 8 of the green troops without a scratch. 

This is why I think that Tom & Los' rule is good.

Another option would be to make each side roll for each paired elements.
That is in the 1 Vet vs 8 Greens situation. Each Green would roll once.
and
the Vet would roll 8 times. Each pair of rolls would be compared
seperatly.
This increases the chance that one of the Green's will get lucky (or the
Vet
will get unlucky). This, may slow down the game, however.

-----
Brian Bell
bkb@beol.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Balentine [SMTP:balentine_media@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:34 PM
> To:	gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> Subject:	RE: [SG] Close Assault Questions
> 
> Doesn't that veteran have to make a confidence check
> at +8 just to get into close combat with 9 greens? I
> think I'm right on this, but I don't have my book with
> me.
> 
> If so, even a veteran 1 only has a 10 percent chance
> of ever getting into that situation, he would have to
> roll a 10 to pass. A veteran 2 could never pass the
> confidence check.
> 
> --- "Bell, Brian K (Contractor)"
> <Brian.Bell@dscc.dla.mil> wrote:
> > As I stated before, I would prefer it to stop at
> > d12:d4.
> > 
> > I also like Tom Barclay/Los' ganging up rules used
> > in "A Grey Day to Die":
> > 
> > From
> >
> http://fox.nstn.ca/~kaladorn/Gaming/AGreyDayToDieForumPage.htm
> > Close Assault - Numbers Do Count!
> > Rationale: In SG2 close combat resolution, it is
> > rather revolting to see a
> > Veteran defender engage 9 Green troops, roll a 7
> > (mediocre or moderately
> > good roll) and just tell them not to bother to roll
> > any dice because they're
> > all dead. A modifier should fix this. 
> > Ratio	       Effect
> >  1:1	       As Normal
> >  2:1	       Outnumbered figure shifts down 1
> >  3:1 (or greater)  Outnumbered figure shifts down 2
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > -----
> > Brian Bell
> > bkb@beol.net.
> > -----
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Derk Groeneveld [SMTP:derk@cistron.nl]
> > > Sent:	Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:57 AM
> > > To:	gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> > > Subject:	Re: [SG] Close Assault Questions
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Francis wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Andrew Martin wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > One other thing that concerned me.	An elite
> > squad with assault
> > > shotguns
> > > > > closes with a green squad.  The elite squad
> > rolls a d12, the green
> > > squad
> > > > > gets a -2 die shift.	d6 -> d4???. Can they
> > fight back?
> > > > > 
> > > > > How about using:
> > > > >	  D4 -> D4-1 -> D4-2
> > > > >     ?
> > > > 
> > > > You could go d4 -> d2 (any dice, odd = 1, even =
> > 2, or d6, 1-3 = 1, 4-6
> > > > = 2, or just toss a coin !)
> > > > 
> > > > > And at the other end:
> > > > >	  D10 -> D12 -> D12+1 -> D12+2 -> D12+3
> > -> D20
> > > > >     Where the averages are:
> > > > >	  5.5	 6.5	7.5	 8.5	  9.5	
> >   10.5
> > > 
> > > Guys, before you get all carried away....
> > > 
> > > Do you WANT to raise the odds further than D12 to
> > D4? No matter HOW good
> > > you are, there is always some risk in
> > hand-to-hand. By reducing one die
> > > below d4 or raising the other babove D12, you are
> > giving even more causem
> > > to rush in the one elite badass superdude, and
> > waste a whole legion of
> > > green sorryasses. "Oh, see, I didn't roll a 1..
> > That means you guys are
> > > gonna lose, all of you!"
> > > 
> > > I don't think this is the desired effect. The odds
> > of D12 vs D4 (approx.
> > > 80% badass wins, 12.5% sorryass wins, 8% draw)
> > seem harsh enough already?
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > >	Derk
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