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Re: [Ft} OU & IC & FB3

From: "Oerjan Ohlson" <oerjan.ohlson@t...>
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:03:34 +0100
Subject: Re: [Ft} OU & IC & FB3

Alan Brain wrote:

> Richard Hofrichter, where are you?

Is that Robert Hofrichter's evil twin? <g>

> OK, so what *should* be in FB3?
> 
>a) Errata to date.
> 
>(Warning! Controversy!)
>b) Balancing of KV, Phalons, SuVasku. In Cinematic movement,
>the KV are over-costed by as much as 10%. Some people here
>think 15%, and this is the figure used by the estimable Brendan Pratt
>at Cancon. (He's won it 2 years running, the best I've managed is 3rd
>so he knows what he's on about).

Problem here. Brendan Pratt doesn't design any custom ships (unless
he's begun doing so in the last half year), so he can simply reduce the
points costs of the published ships by 15%. The rest of us can't do
that - we have to reduce the cost of some specific Kra'Vak components
instead. But which ones, and by how much?

>http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cgs/Blurbs2001.html#FULL%20TH>RUST
>Sa'Vasku range bands altered to 8" bands.

8" or 9", yes.

>Point defences treat Plasma Bolts as normal targets with no re-rolls
>(1-3= 0pts 4-5= 1pts 6= 2pts).

Can live with that.

>Close range set pulsers only yield 4d6.
>Kra'Vak point costs are reduced by 15%.
> 
>The highly esteemed OO has produced many good arguments that >the
Pulser at Close Range should be 6 dice not 4. All I can say is that >if
you find this to be the case, use Medium or Long instead. In our
>playtesting, Cinematic on table-tennis tables, terrain so no floating
- 
>which I think is a very large proportion of the total FT audience -
then >close range pulsars are de rigeur at 6dice.

We've fought a dozen battles on fixed 4'x8' tables pitting FB1 fleets
against "all-C" Phalon forces now, and the Phalons have *still* lost
every one of them... Brendan never described what tactics the Phalons
use to keep the range close (nor what tactics their opponents have
tried to prevent them from closing), so I still don't know what we're
doing wrong locally :-(

>c) Fleets. We should at least have all the ships that GZG currently
>make. Anything else?
> IC forex?

Max 4 fleets in a fleetbook; may be less if there are many new rules.
GZG currently has 4 fleets without any published stats: UNSC, IF, OU
and ORC.

>d) Rules: What rules do we need: MT missiles, for sure. Anything
>else?

Sensors and boarding combat, and cleared-up fighter rules (currently
they're spread out over all five books...).

Regards,

Oerjan Ohlson
oerjan.ohlson@telia.com

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Thanks for the responses, everyone.  SInce I had a snow day today, I got
to
ake use of them sooner than I expected.

Right now, my quandry is what to do with my GW Tyrannid fleet.	50+
ships,
most of them DH size and smaller.  Make 'em Sa'Vasku, and treat the
small
SV fleet that I already own as Phalons?  Or vice versa?  I have to play
around with the fleets and see what suggests itself.

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> >Oddly enough, if you read it again you'll see it says
"COUNTERpiracy"
> >ops.  The AE has more than its share of registered mercenary
> >corporations, but they're all legal by international law.
>
>
> Legally registerd merc`s, but in which nations do they have a shoot
on sight
> orders against them? <g>.

Not as many as there used to be. <G>
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On Sat, 30 December 2000, "Oerjan Ohlson" wrote:

> >http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cgs/Blurbs2001.html#FULL%20TH>RUST
> >Sa'Vasku range bands altered to 8" bands.
> 
> 8" or 9", yes.

(This is for the list in general, not specifically Oerjan who has seen
the disc
ussions.)

Beth has been doing testing with 9" range bands.

Most things in FT are measured in multiples of 3. 6-sided dice, 12"
range bands
, 3" radius of effect for SMLs in vector movement, etc. As a memory aid,
9" ran
ge bands are divisible by 3 and half way between 12" and 6".

While it's still early, if I was going to bet on what will become
"official", I
'd put my money on 9" range bands.

> Sensors and boarding combat, and cleared-up fighter rules (currently
> they're spread out over all five books...).

Interface craft and a tie-in with SG2 and DS2.

I'd like to see a generic tactics section in the book. Something very
much like
 we've had posted here from time to time.

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> >the KV are over-costed by as much as 10%.

Apropos which, the junior admiral of my household requests the advice
of the List on what NSL ships and tactics to use to deal with 2000
points of KV.

He took 2 modified Von Teg's and 2 Maria von B's against 4 Ko'Vol and
a Si'Tek.  It turns out that a K5 hit, with the usual 10 damage, does
a threshold per hit on a Maria.  He was not as happy about this
discovery as I was...
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From: "Oerjan Ohlson" <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com>
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Laserlight wrote:

>>the KV are over-costed by as much as 10%.
> 
>Apropos which, the junior admiral of my household requests the >advice
of the List on what NSL ships and tactics to use to deal with >2000
points of KV.

Cinematic or Vector?

>He took 2 modified Von Teg's and 2 Maria von B's against 4 Ko'Vol >and
a Si'Tek.  It turns out that a K5 hit, with the usual 10 damage, >does
a threshold per hit on a Maria.  He was not as happy about this
>discovery as I was...

This is one of the two reasons why the KV cost more than human ships
<g>

Regards,

Oerjan Ohlson
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Greetings all,

>From me Down Under, who are now in 2001, Happy New Year to all you
people on
the other side of the dateline. :)

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(Waiting for the monolith to arrive...)
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Well, there is life for all the Starguard grognards (Starguard is the SF
skirmish set of rules first edition in 1974, and currently on Edition 5,
which early on introduced a lot of people on the west coast to SF
skirmish wargames using miniatures.  Not the earliest but a survivor
from
those neo-lithic days) since there is another web game starting soon. 
And like most Starguard games who the 'enemy' is may not be too sure
until the shooting starts.  You know who is supposed to be the enemy
usually but this time the Fabian mercs	(East European Comrades in
Space)
are guarding an unpopular (Bopaul) facility for 'research' on an planet
settled by ethnic/cultural descendants of South Asia.  And the research
leader is the center of some pretty murky rumors...

If you want reports of how the game progesses please e-mail me and I
will
forward them to you.  I won't post them on the list since it *is* OT.

Gracias, Glenn/Triphibious
You don't have to be French to be a 'frog', or even human!
Nektons - Real Marines!
Starguard, Dirtside 2, Full Thrust, Ratner's Space Marines, Stellar
Conflicts and Uprisings, and Full Thrust/2nd.  Resistance is everything!

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> >Apropos which, the junior admiral of my household requests the
>advice
> of the List on what NSL ships and tactics to use to deal with >2000
> points of KV.
>
> Cinematic or Vector?

Cinematic.  In Vector I'd just say "stay in a pack and keep turning to
face them."

Come to think of it, in Cinematic I'd say about the same--find a piece
of space you like, reduce speed to zero and rotate as needed.
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