Re: Can a FT only Fleet be viable?
From: Allan Goodall <awg@s...>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:33:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Can a FT only Fleet be viable?
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:24:33 -0500, "Chris DeBoe"
<LASERLIGHT@QUIXNET.NET>
wrote:
>"Viable" in what sense?
That was my first question. Viable as in, "the game will work" or viable
as
in, "FT ships could fight FB ships and have a chance of winning"?
I think there are enough differences that I wouldn't want to play a game
with
one side use FT ships and rules and the other side using FB1/2 ships and
rules. Mind you, some feel that FB ships would be at an advantage. It
would be
interesting to see what the old FT fire arcs would do compared to
weapons with
FB fire arcs. That rear arc is a problem, but weapons with a single
front arc
get an extra 15 degrees of arc. And I wonder if old FT ships might not
have
some advantageous cost imbalances, including the artificial ship class
min-maxing that could happen.
If, however, the idea is to use ships with only FT weapons but using FB
rules,
I suspect if the ships are designed with the FB design system they are
viable.
Allan Goodall awg@sympatico.ca
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Subject: Re: [OFFICIAL] Merry Christmas etc.....
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:25:21 +0000, Ground Zero Games <jon@gzg.com>
wrote:
>Happy Xmas and best wishes for the (proper) New Millennium to everyone
from
>Jon and Paul at GZG!
Merry Christmas, Jon, Paul, and everyone else on the list!
But wasn't the proper New Millenium back in '97? I understand that the
Gregorian monk that pegged the birth of Christ at year A.D. 1 was found
-- by
archaeological evidence -- to be late by between 3 and 5 years... *grin*
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Actually, I don't recall the super shooting even once. More properly a
command and control ship, perhaps?
Mighty BIG one, I'll admit...
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From: Allan Goodall <awg@sympatico.ca>
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Subject: Re: [SG] Vehicle design
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:48:49 -0500
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:26:17 -0800, Jaime Tiampo
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wrote:
>I'm working on some of my Gear designs for SG and I'm trying to find
>some info on weapons and systems capacity points cost. Specifically I'm
>trying to build an artilery Gear and I can't find info on how big an
>artilery piece should be. And EW equipment, does it take up any space
in
>the vehicle?
SG2 doesn't have capacity points for artillery. The vehicle design rules
cover
only direct fire weapons and missile systems.
EW equipment in SG2 doesn't cost anything in capacity points, either.
You set
an ECM level; none costs as much as superior.
If you want a more detailed design system, I suggest you use DS2. It
covers
capacity points for all these. One thing I'd like to see in Bugs Don't
Surf is
an integrated SG2 and DS2 vehicle design system.
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Michael Llaneza wrote:
> I'd say my favorite Culture ship name was "What Are The Civilian
Applications
?"
These are not actual Culture ship names, they were suggested in a
contest.
ROU Candygram for Mongo
GCU - Factoring the Prime Directive.
GCU Tab A
GSV Slot B
GCU Are We There Yet?
GSV Another Way to Travel
ROU "Don't Touch That Button ..."
LOU "If I Could Do It Again, I Would Do It All Over You" [1]
GSV "Pedal To The Metal"
LSV "My Other Vehicle's A GSV"
GCU "More Power, Igor"
VFP "It Was Like That When I Got Here"
ROU Another One Bites The Dust
ROU The Means Justify The End
GCU Public Nuisance
GSV pU yaW sihT
GSV Not Wanted On Voyage
ROU The Continuation Of Diplomacy
GCU Invisible Idiot
ROU You Go First
ROU Deadlier Than The Mail
ROU All Right, This Time You Hold That End
ROU Don't Say You Weren't Warned
ROU - I've Added You to my Kill-File.
GSV - Forty Two; and Counting.
GCU Oops.
GSV I'm Sure I had It Around Here Somewhere
VFP Collateral Damage
GCU Not In My Back Yard
GSV Pocket Change
GSV Shopping List
GSV Full House
ROU Flash in the Pan
ROU Extreme Prejudice
ROU General Protection Fault
ROU Rainbow Warrior
ROU War Office, Wanna Fight?
ROU Make My Day
ROU He Went Mad, So I Shot Him
ROU One for Sorrow
ROU CAM Bombs Are Us
ROU Let Us Prey
ROU The Weather
GSV Sufficiently Long Lever
VFP "Look, I'm a Plowshare!"
ROU You Look like a Nail
ROU They looked hostile to me...
GCU Happy Birthday!
GSV Would you like fries with that?
GSV Don't Let The Name Fool You
ROU Nasty Brutish and Short
ROU No Rest for the Wicked
ROU Peace Sells, But It's Really Too Damn Expensive
ROU Sorry, My Trigger Finger Slipped
ROU Nothing Up My Sleeve
GSV Damn, I Am Bloated
GSV Parasitical Haven
GCU Funny Meeting You Here
GCU Come on, Everybody's Doing It
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Allan Goodall wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:26:17 -0800, Jaime Tiampo
<fugu@spikyfishthing.com>
> wrote:
> EW equipment in SG2 doesn't cost anything in capacity points, either.
You set
> an ECM level; none costs as much as superior.
EW and ECM are different systems. I was asking about EW, which only has
one level and has to be specifically designated to individual
infantrymen or vehicles.
Jaime
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ROU, GCU, GSV, LSP, VFP are...?
I know what a LOU is. ;->=
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At 7:25 PM -0500 12/21/00, Glenn M Wilson wrote:
>So Hitler's famous (apocryphal?) preference for "The Big Lie" was
>borrowed from the... Russian Communists? Talk about strange.
Hey, always steal from the best. And it's hard to beat Stalinist
Russia for Pure Evil.
I the three worst as follows:
Stalin for the worst overall numbers
Hitler for widespread and deliberate evil, you could attribute him
all of the European deaths
Pol Pot for highest per capita numbers
These men were the modern barbarians.
I give the Japanese an honorable mention, they were a medieval
holdover. Although from their perspective most of the trouble they
caused made perfect sense under their historic values. They just
needed to be kicked into the 20th century.
--
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Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1991-1950
Devolution is very real to me.
Whenever I hear the "Odd Couple" theme, I get this image of Dennis
Rodman borrowing Marge Schott's toothbrush.
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"Factoring the Prime Directive" is a perfect description for the
Culture. Should send a shiver down the spine of Trekkies, which is a
good thing.
At 9:16 PM -0500 12/22/00, Nyrath the nearly wise wrote:
>Michael Llaneza wrote:
>> I'd say my favorite Culture ship name was "What Are The Civilian
>>Applications?"
>
>These are not actual Culture ship names, they were suggested in a
contest.
>
>ROU Candygram for Mongo
>GCU - Factoring the Prime Directive.
>GCU Tab A
>GSV Slot B
>GCU Are We There Yet?
>GSV Another Way to Travel
>ROU "Don't Touch That Button ..."
>LOU "If I Could Do It Again, I Would Do It All Over You" [1]
>GSV "Pedal To The Metal"
>LSV "My Other Vehicle's A GSV"
>GCU "More Power, Igor"
>VFP "It Was Like That When I Got Here"
>ROU Another One Bites The Dust
>ROU The Means Justify The End
>GCU Public Nuisance
>GSV pU yaW sihT
>GSV Not Wanted On Voyage
>ROU The Continuation Of Diplomacy
>GCU Invisible Idiot
>ROU You Go First
>ROU Deadlier Than The Mail
>ROU All Right, This Time You Hold That End
>ROU Don't Say You Weren't Warned
>ROU - I've Added You to my Kill-File.
>GSV - Forty Two; and Counting.
>GCU Oops.
>GSV I'm Sure I had It Around Here Somewhere
>VFP Collateral Damage
>GCU Not In My Back Yard
>GSV Pocket Change
>GSV Shopping List
>GSV Full House
>ROU Flash in the Pan
>ROU Extreme Prejudice
>ROU General Protection Fault
>ROU Rainbow Warrior
>ROU War Office, Wanna Fight?
>ROU Make My Day
>ROU He Went Mad, So I Shot Him
>ROU One for Sorrow
>ROU CAM Bombs Are Us
>ROU Let Us Prey
>ROU The Weather
>GSV Sufficiently Long Lever
>VFP "Look, I'm a Plowshare!"
>ROU You Look like a Nail
>ROU They looked hostile to me...
>GCU Happy Birthday!
>GSV Would you like fries with that?
>GSV Don't Let The Name Fool You
>ROU Nasty Brutish and Short
>ROU No Rest for the Wicked
>ROU Peace Sells, But It's Really Too Damn Expensive
>ROU Sorry, My Trigger Finger Slipped
>ROU Nothing Up My Sleeve
>GSV Damn, I Am Bloated
>GSV Parasitical Haven
>GCU Funny Meeting You Here
>GCU Come on, Everybody's Doing It
--
Michael Carter Llaneza
Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1991-1950
Devolution is very real to me.
Whenever I hear the "Odd Couple" theme, I get this image of Dennis
Rodman borrowing Marge Schott's toothbrush.
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:16:52 -0800, Jaime Tiampo
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>EW and ECM are different systems. I was asking about EW, which only has
>one level and has to be specifically designated to individual
>infantrymen or vehicles.
Actually, EW does have multiple levels: Basic (d6), Enhanced (d8) and
Superior
(d10). Stargrunt 2 rulebook, page 52, bottom of the first column. And it
doesn't cost capacity points.
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:16:52 -0800, Jaime Tiampo
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>> EW equipment in SG2 doesn't cost anything in capacity points, either.
You se
t
>> an ECM level; none costs as much as superior.
>
>EW and ECM are different systems. I was asking about EW, which only has
>one level and has to be specifically designated to individual
>infantrymen or vehicles.
And I did make a mistake stating "You set an ECM level" in my original
post. I
actually meant EW.
ECM and EW are different. But like ECM, no capacity points are given for
EW
systems. They appear to be free in SG2. Since an EW team can be as small
as
one person, and that one person isn't considered to be encumbered (at
least,
he isn't stated to be in the rule book), the implication is that EW
systems
are small.
Again, though, I think this is different in DS2 (but it's been ages
since I
built DS2 vehicles, so don't quote me...).
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Allan Goodall wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:nms74tg7ualslojru53h7kuna5o152j2dq@4ax.com"><
pre wrap="">On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:25:21 +0000, Ground Zero Games <a
class="moz
-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jon@gzg.com"><jon@gzg.com></a>
wrote:<br
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<blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Happy Xmas and best wishes for
the (prop
er) New Millennium to everyone from<br>Jon and Paul at
GZG!<br></pre></blockquo
te>
<pre wrap=""><!----><br>Merry Christmas, Jon, Paul, and everyone
else on th
e list!<br><br>But wasn't the proper New Millenium back in '97? I
understand th
at the<br>Gregorian monk that pegged the birth of Christ at year A.D. 1
was fou
nd -- by<br>archaeological evidence -- to be late by between 3 and 5
years... *
grin*<br></pre>
</blockquote>
Shhhhhhhh.... Not so loud. THEY might here you.
(FNORD!)<br
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Happy Holidays everyone!<br>
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***
But wasn't the proper New Millenium back in '97? I understand that the
Gregorian monk that pegged the birth of Christ at year A.D. 1 was found
--
by
archaeological evidence -- to be late by between 3 and 5 years... *grin*
***
Leave it to Allan to do a Frank Black impression... ;->=
Take care, all, and blessings of the coming Yuletide.
The_Beast
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> >being most important, IMO) but you can get by without it. MT
> >describes some of the genre weapons and, more importantly, the
details of the various
> >fighter types, but again, you can live without it.
Glenn wondered
> "Genre weapons"? Is this like the Salvo missiles thing or something
more
> exotic?
Wave gun, cloaking device, ortillery, reflex field--intended for you
to be able to recreate a specific film or book, not necessarily
balanced against "generic" ships.
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Thanks, I have found other similar sites but they were internally
inconsistant. I'll give this a good looking over!
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> Hey, always steal from the best. And it's hard to beat Stalinist
> Russia for Pure Evil.
>
> I the three worst as follows:
>
> Stalin for the worst overall numbers
>
> Hitler for widespread and deliberate evil, you could attribute him
> all of the European deaths
Stalin was doing quite well (?) on his own.
However, this is off topic.
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If you are thinking along the lines of AF munitions/rounds for SML`s,
you
have to compair them to scattergun packs (which are the nearest weapon I
can
think of for a ammo limited AF/PDS style weapon system). A scattergun
has 6
arc fire, doesn`t require a firecon, kills 1D6 fighters & has a range of
6
MU with ADF abbilities at no extra mass/cost penalties. A SML AF round
would
have limited arcs, and require a minimum mass of 4 (3 for launcher &1
for
round). I would give it the same kill/PDS roll as a scattergun, with a
12 MU
range, and can engage any fighters within 4 MU, and fighters have no
chance
to use secondary movement to avoid. Does this sound reasonable to anyone
out
there?
BIF
"yorkshire born,yorkshire bred,
strong in arms, thick in head"