System Thrust was Re: Rules you use...

>>Even so, I feel that at the tactical scale (i.e. on a tabletop) that
>>they shouldn't really enter into it. Grand tactical (or system 
>>scale)would seem to be a much more appropriate place to have them.
>
>I totaly agree with this - I think a system for determining 
>pre-battle manuevering/detection, etc. would be fun to play around 
>with.

OK, but remember, you asked for it ;-)

I figure that the average gaming table is 4' by 6', and as much as 
we'd all like to have more space for our glorious hobby, it generally 
doesn't happen.

Thus, if you're going to do a system scale tabletop game, it needs to 
generally fit in that area. Since systems are generally circular 
shaped things, let figure our limits are 72" by 72" (fudging a bit, I 
know).

Now let's take a look at the solar system. In ours, these are the 
orbital radii:
Mercury 58x10^6 km
Venus	108x10^6 km
Earth	150x10^6 km
Mars	228x10^6 km
Jupiter 778x10^6 km
I could go on, but I think that this should about cover us.

Scale. To include Mars, and out to about 360x10^6 km, then a scale of 
1" = 5x10^6 km = 1 MU works nice. To keep things simple, 1" = 10x10^6 
km = 1 MU might work better. This would be 10^4 larger than FT's 
assumed scale of approximately 1x10^3 KM = 1 MU. This doesn't quite 
get us out to Jupiter orbit, but I think I can live with that. If 
necessary, you could always "slide" your map over to include any 
necessary point in space.

At that assumed scale, the orbital radii would be:
Mercury 5.8"
Venus	10.8"
Earth	15"
Mars	22.8"
Jupiter 77.8" (which would be off our map)

Time scale. This is where things get tricky. To keep movement, etc. 
in the same units we'd have to up the time scale by 10^4 as well. 
Using the assumed FT turn of 15 min. (900 sec. rounded up to 1000 
just to make things easier) would give a turn length of 10^7 sec., or 
approximately 100 days per turn. BORING.

If we assume that ships can use micro-jumps within the inner system, 
we could figure that ships could cut this by a factor of 100. 1 day 
per turn; much better. Further assuming that this is in some way 
related to a ships Main Drive rating lets us keep a movement system 
related to that figure (rather than equal for all ships, which is 
what we'd get if we based it on the vanilla FTL drive).

Because the micro-jumps do not depend on acceleration or any 
maintained velocity, we can further say that a ship can move as many 
MU as its MD rating. Thus a Thrust 6 ship moves 6" = 6 MU per turn.

 From here, we can just say that ships within 1 MU may engage in FT 
style combat, and PRESTO, we have the basis for a system scale!

Comments (sorry it was so long)?

Schoon
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Hi All,

Can anyone else access the GeoHex page at the moment. I get some sort 
of Microsoft page when I try to access: http://www.geohex.com/

Schoon
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Can someone remind my addled brain what the nominal scale of the 
minis is supposed to be. I can't remember if it's 1/2400 or 
1/3000 >:-P

Schoon
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nope.. right now that url leads to a microsft NT4 option pack.. wierd
eh???

Bob DeAngelis
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> Hi All,
> 
> Can anyone else access the GeoHex page at the moment. I get some sort 
> of Microsoft page when I try to access: http://www.geohex.com/
> 
> Schoon
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>Can someone remind my addled brain what the nominal scale of the
>minis is supposed to be. I can't remember if it's 1/2400 or
>1/3000 >:-P

We quoted 1/2400 long ago, and it's sort of stuck. It's VERY nominal
however.

Jon (GZG)
>
>Schoon