Re: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some names t o them...
From: Andy Cowell <andy@c...>
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:28:38 -0600
Subject: Re: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some names t o them...
In message <4.2.2.20001208112849.00a6b530@pop.hba.marine.csiro.au>, Beth
Fulton
writes:
> G'day Tom,
>
> >http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-1.jpg (SPG on the far left?)
>
> I have absolutely no idea what that acronym means (the SG/DS
discussions on
Self-Propelled Gun, I would think.
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:05:21 +1100 Beth Fulton
<beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au> writes:
>G'day Mike,
>
> >Answer the human pace, generally
> >reckoned to be about 30" (2.5 feet).
> >
> >Well it makes sense to me......
>
>Unless of course they're paced out by me (5'6") and then Derek (6'2")
>tries
>to follow the instructions (we were doing a treasure hunt for the
>kids)...
>the results were so off I started thinking about doing an SG scenario
>where
>the untrained militia had to find the cache of weapons before the bad
>guys
>got there ;)
>
>Cheers
>
>Beth
>
Well, Since I am 5' 5", next time I'll come as Derek's "personal Pacer"
and then maybe there would be time for a FT/SG/DS2 game session (with
all
the time I could save in the treasure hunt.)
I understand, my pace is just a tad over 2 feet for some reason when I
am
trying to 'measure' something but a bit longer when I am just walking.
Completely consistent in doing that for some odd reason (but then my 12
year old daughter and I take turns teasing each other about being
'strange' and it's pretty easy for her since her Dad does all that 'war
game stuff'' - would have been easier for her had we still been doing
D&D
when she arrived from India...)
Gracias, Triphibious/Glenn (first war game played 1959)
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Nektons, be all the Marine you can be!
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> >And if you don't encounter their commandos
> >you have to dodge the buoys they
> >leave all over the place:-)
>
> Mind you it doesn't hurt that the OU seems to claim buoys that were
> probably put there by the Illuminati. More surprising is the fact
the
> Illuminati haven't corrected this behaviour, wonder what they're
getting
> out of it... ;)
>
> Beth
>
Actually the OU claims buoys that were put out by the AE, but we've
come to agreement on that issue and of course we never run into the
buoys since we were the ones who placed them.
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G'day Andy,
>Self-Propelled Gun, I would think.
Awww... OK ;)
I know this has been asked before and I'm sorry to bring it up again but
is
there a list of acronyms somewhere on the net that I can use to decipher
what you guys are rabbiting on about? ;)
Thanks
Beth
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G'day Glenn,
>Well, Since I am 5' 5", next time I'll
>come as Derek's "personal Pacer"
>and then maybe there would be time
>for a FT/SG/DS2 game session (with all
>the time I could save in the treasure hunt.)
Sounds like an excellent idea! I'm sure Honor (our dog) and the kids are
still nosing out eggs from last Easter's efforts ;)
Cheers
Beth
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G'day guys,
Derek's asked me to pass along this message for him:
"I've updated the page with 3 OU ships design and more images"
So for the gentleman after some OU designs these might be for you.
As for the pics they're mostly of my greys, and their hangers-on as well
as
my Nuns - St^3 Jon deserves a big round of applause on those figs....
all
that bare flesh has distracted enough guys long enough to give me a
fitting
chance in squad level combat ;)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Barclay, Tom" <tomb@bitheads.com>
> Mike,
>
> I gotta say there are problems with paces as measure. As Beth pointed
out,
> everyone's paces vary. That can be quite problematic. Sometimes people
have
> a heck of a time learning formation drill because of this difference.
>
> And can you imagine what 4'10" tall pygmy tribesmen would say about
your
> "standard pace"? Great bleedin' leap they'd call it!
Typically, whenever a people reached a certain (still fairly low) level
of
unity and sophistication they noticed this porblem and standardized
their
'feet', 'ells', 'spans', 'inches', 'paces', 'yards' etc.. Typically, it
was
the local big boss' (read 'king') measurements that were taken as
standard.
One of the reason why, say, 'ells' or 'feet' could vary significantly
from
place to place.
An additional problem with 'pace' is that some people reckon a 'pace' as
a
single step (75 cm, say) and others as a double-step (1,50 m), the
Romans
for example.
Greetings
Karl Heinz
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After reading a little about it, it sounds like a really great game to
play ove
r
the internet.
Donald Hosford
Jeremy Sadler wrote:
> > Last time I played it was at Cancon '98, where we gamed out the
Seabring
> > Picket destruction from Honor Harrington. It was good fun.
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> After reading a little about it, it sounds like a really great game to
play over
> the internet.
The site mentions the possiblity to play over the net, and advises it is
doable because it uses TCP/IP protocol, but also says I believe that it
may
not work and besides, it would take some of the fun out if it... it's
not a
very visual game for crew members, and having six or so people in the
same
room playing it is cool.
When I played it they had a projector set up to show the main screen
(with
the "viewer") on a big screen, and they were set up in a lecture hall so
the
captain sat several seats up.. felt like a real starship. :)
JS
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>Contained within each section would be:
The work of definind the structure has mostly been
done by the GZF FT profiles. I intended to map this
to an XML tree. From your proposed structure I see
a lot of similarities.
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They were probably warming their lunches on the heat that a vacuum tube
radar set would generate
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We switched to simultaneous fire and damage simply to speed up the game,
and to allow all ships to fire in any one turn. With only one threshold
check at the end of the turn, the game went much faster. We had people
declare all their ships to fire before firing any, which also meant that
you could not switch targets when a ship was destroyed.
Corey
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URL: http://www.users.bigpond.com/derekfulton/
-----
Brian Bell
-----
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth Fulton [SMTP:beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:43 AM
> To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [FT, SG] Tell the world, I've updated the page
>
> G'day guys,
>
> Derek's asked me to pass along this message for him:
>
> "I've updated the page with 3 OU ships design and more images"
>
> So for the gentleman after some OU designs these might be for you.
> As for the pics they're mostly of my greys, and their hangers-on as
well
> as
> my Nuns - St^3 Jon deserves a big round of applause on those figs....
all
> that bare flesh has distracted enough guys long enough to give me a
> fitting
> chance in squad level combat ;)
>
> Cheers
>
> Beth
>
>
>
>
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> --
>
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> --
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> c/o CSIRO Division of Marine Research
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I'll play Oerjan for a moment (although I'm not worthy <s>)
Sydney Class Hvy Carrier:
ADFC shown in SSD, but not listed in defenses or Sensor Suite. Without
the
SSD the ship has 2 mass unused.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth Fulton [SMTP:beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:43 AM
> To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [FT, SG] Tell the world, I've updated the page
>
> G'day guys,
>
> Derek's asked me to pass along this message for him:
>
> "I've updated the page with 3 OU ships design and more images"
>
> So for the gentleman after some OU designs these might be for you.
> As for the pics they're mostly of my greys, and their hangers-on as
well
> as
> my Nuns - St^3 Jon deserves a big round of applause on those figs....
all
> that bare flesh has distracted enough guys long enough to give me a
> fitting
> chance in squad level combat ;)
>
> Cheers
>
> Beth
>
>
>
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Tom (&Beth)
While it is certainly true that each individual human's pace is
different
depending on their height, the fact remains
that the pace as a unit of measure has been around for a very long time.
After all many units of measurement started out
as human body measurements e.g. cubit, foot, palm, hand and yard.
pace
a traditional unit of distance, considered equal to the length of a
person
's "full" pace, that is, the distance between two
successive falls of the same foot. Thus one pace equals two steps.
The Rom
ans counted 1000 paces in a mile, with each
pace being a little over 58 inches (or about 148 centimeters). In
more rec
ent times, the pace has usually been defined as
exactly 5 feet (or 152.4 centimeters); this unit is called the
great pace
or geometrical pace. In the military, however,
the term "pace" is often used as an alternate name for the step;
see milit
ary pace.
military pace
another name for a step. In the U.S. Army, the military pace is
defined to
be exactly 30 inches (76.2 centimeters) for
ordinary "quick time" marching and 36 inches (91.44 centimeters)
for doubl
e time marching. The same definitions are
generally used by marching bands.
step [1]
a traditional unit of distance, equal to 1/2 pace. The step is
traditional
ly equal to 30 inches or 76.2 centimeters.
quoted from:
How Many? A Dictionary of Units of Measurement
© Russ Rowlett and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,
http://www
.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/
The original point was that it was a strange unit of measurement to use
in a se
t of Ancient wargames rules. I think the above is
sufficient explanation as to why Phil Barker (the author of DBA) used
it. Give
n Phil's particular interest in the Romans its not
surprising that he did. It seems a trivial point on which to cast out a
very go
od set of simple rules. I rest my case.
Cheers, Mike
Mike,
I gotta say there are problems with paces as measure. As Beth pointed
out,
everyone's paces vary. That can be quite problematic. Sometimes people
have
a heck of a time learning formation drill because of this difference.
And can you imagine what 4'10" tall pygmy tribesmen would say about your
"standard pace"? Great bleedin' leap they'd call it!
As I recall from a bit of CF land nav training, part of the trick to
good
land nav (other than having a good bit of skill with map, compass,
judging
reference points, and working in a team which really is the key) was to
pace
out a reference distance like a 100 m or a km or so and get a feel for
your
standard pace. Once you know what your standard pace is, on average, it
becomes far easier to navigate effectively (given that, for some sad
reason,
your GPS is conked).
Even 120 ppm or 60 ppm can be quite fun to try to keep within +/-10%
when
marching. It takes a good sense of timing or lots of practice to get
this
plus or minus a pace regularly. Of course, this need for practice is
usually
generously granted (in place of that rather mundane and rather indulgent
activity known as sleep) by most infantry instructors I've met. They're
a
generous lot, when it comes to handing their recruits "growth
experiences"
or "self-improvment excercises". ;)
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:34:37 +1100 Beth Fulton
<beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au> writes:
>G'day Andy,
>
> >Self-Propelled Gun, I would think.
>
>Awww... OK ;)
>
>I know this has been asked before and I'm sorry to bring it up again
>but is
>there a list of acronyms somewhere on the net that I can use to
>decipher
>what you guys are rabbiting on about? ;)
>
>Thanks
>
>Beth
>
Beth, probably but it does vary somewhat between services and nations.
I
will check at work and see if I can find a public source that has
comprehnsive listings of military type acronyms. We have one for our
'community' but it is limited distribution (that means the
military/Intelligence/government bodies with a need to know and
contractors to the same with the same need only.)
I'll see what I can find.
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Rommel Light Hover Rail Gun Tank (LHRGT <s>)
See Geo-Hex web site picture: http://www.geohex.com/dsm110.htm
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth Fulton [SMTP:beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au]
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:33 PM
> To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting
> some names t o them...
>
> G'day Tom,
>
> >http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-1.jpg (SPG on the far left?)
>
> I have absolutely no idea what that acronym means (the SG/DS
discussions
> on
> this list can be quite amusing as I try to fill in all the acronymns
that
> get thrown around), but if you mean the tanky thing on the far left
then
> I'm pretty sure its a Rommel light hover tank. Sorry I can't help you
with
>
> any of the others.
>
> Cheers
>
> Beth
>
>
>
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Hi
> pace
> a traditional unit of distance, considered equal to the length of a
> person's "full" pace, that is, the distance between two
> successive falls of the same foot. Thus one pace equals two steps.
> The Romans counted 1000 paces in a mile, with each pace being a
> little over 58 inches (or about 148 centimeters).
> How Many? A Dictionary of Units of Measurement
> © Russ Rowlett and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,
> http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/
Thanks, useful website !
> The original point was that it was a strange unit of measurement to >
use in a set of Ancient wargames rules. I think the above is
> sufficient explanation as to why Phil Barker (the author of DBA)
> used it. Given Phil's particular interest in the Romans its not
> surprising that he did.
Except that in DBA/DBM and all the other rules by Phil Barker
'All distances .. are quoted in multiples of paces, each 0.75 m [sic!]
or 2.5 feet'
Which can lead to errors of a factor 2 when discussing ancient
distances with wargamers !
> It seems a trivial point on which to cast out a very good set of >
simple rules. I rest my case.
Indeed, a fine set of rules. Shame about the writing style.
Greetings
Karl Heinz
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Great Idea. I had started something earlier at
http://members.xoom.com/rlyehable/scifi/glossary.html
but did not get too far.
This weekend, I will cobble together an asp page linked to a database
where
we can drop glossary items and acronyms. It will be at
http://www.ftsr.org/scifi/glossary.asp when ready. I will make another
post
when it is completed.
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> G'day Tom,
>
> >http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-1.jpg (SPG on the far left?)
>
> I have absolutely no idea what that acronym means (the SG/DS
discussions
> on
> this list can be quite amusing as I try to fill in all the acronymns
that
> get thrown around), [snip]
>
> Cheers
>
> Beth
>
>
>
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> --
>
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> --
> Elizabeth Fulton
[snip]
> email: beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au
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A few for starters..
This is pretty good for eqpt but only the one page.....
http://www.academy.co.kr/addon/milglo.htm
This is perhaps too high level
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/index.html
this ones not quite so good.....
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/5688/mildic.htm
...and to show you the Marines do it better....
http://www.mcu.usmc.mil/www/library/diction.htm
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU]On Behalf Of Beth Fulton
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>
>
> G'day Andy,
>
> >Self-Propelled Gun, I would think.
>
> Awww... OK ;)
>
> I know this has been asked before and I'm sorry to bring it up
> again but is
> there a list of acronyms somewhere on the net that I can use to
decipher
> what you guys are rabbiting on about? ;)
>
> Thanks
>
> Beth
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hhmmm.......the one second in from the right looks like a
Comanche?.....from Ba
ttletech?...
dunno.
Late,
David
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The GZG Digest wrote:
> The GZG Digest Thursday, December 7 2000 Volume 02 :
Number 220
>
> The following subjects are discussed in this issue:
> -
> ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some names t o
them...
> Re: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some names t
o them.
..
> Paces as a unit of measure
> Re: [FT] Unofficial Official Lists?
> DS2/FW/BGC figures identified. Thanks!
> pics needed .. hoping to get lucky like tom barclay...heheh
> [DS2] Handling interface vehicle design
> Re: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some names t
o them.
..
> Re: rules cheat sheet
> Re: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some names t
o them.
..
> Re: rules cheat sheet
> [FT, SG] Tell the world, I've updated the page
> -
> See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing to the
> GZG digest list, or subscribing to the GZG main list.
> -
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:19:42 -0500
> From: "Barclay, Tom" <tomb@bitheads.com>
> Subject: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some
names t o
them...
>
> DS2 and SG2 guys (especially my British list-brothers who have a
better
> chance to have seen some of this stuff), take a gander at these and
help me
> identify the vehicles/figures in question:
>
> http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/mc-1.jpg (what order codes? how
big? As
> large as the older Heavy Gear minis? Or on a par with modern GZG-PA?)
>
> http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-dfv-2.jpg (what are the 3 VTOLs
-
> ignore the Ftr)
>
> http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-dfv-1.jpg (I assume the first
one on
> the left here is the VT-51 Super Boxcar and the second one is the
VT-40
> Boxcar... but what are the 3 VTOLs and the last vehicle - which I
suspect of
> being a VTOL cargo carrier of some type but I'm not sure - maybe a
VT-36
> flying pig?)
>
> http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-dfk-1.jpg (the last 4 vehicles
on the
> right?)
>
> http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-1.jpg (SPG on the far left?)
>
> http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/bgc-03.jpg (the 4 dudes in armour?)
>
> Thanks for any information guys! :)
>
> - ------------------------------------------
> Thomas R. S. Barclay
> Voice: (613) 722-3232 ext 349
> e-mail: tomb@bitheads.com
>
> Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies.
>
> Voltaire (1694-1778), on his death bed in response to a priest asking
that
> he renounce Satan.
> - ------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:33:16 +1100
> From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au>
> Subject: Re: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some
names
t o them...
>
> G'day Tom,
>
> >http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-1.jpg (SPG on the far left?)
>
> I have absolutely no idea what that acronym means (the SG/DS
discussions on
> this list can be quite amusing as I try to fill in all the acronymns
that
> get thrown around), but if you mean the tanky thing on the far left
then
> I'm pretty sure its a Rommel light hover tank. Sorry I can't help you
with
> any of the others.
>
> Cheers
>
> Beth
>
> -
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> Elizabeth Fulton
> c/o CSIRO Division of Marine Research
> GPO Box 1538
> HOBART
> TASMANIA 7001
> AUSTRALIA
> Phone (03) 6232 5018 International +61 3 6232 5018
> Fax 03 6232 5053 International +61 3 6232 5053
>
> email: beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:39:40 -0500
> From: "Barclay, Tom" <tomb@bitheads.com>
> Subject: Paces as a unit of measure
>
> Mike,
>
> I gotta say there are problems with paces as measure. As Beth pointed
out,
> everyone's paces vary. That can be quite problematic. Sometimes people
have
> a heck of a time learning formation drill because of this difference.
>
> And can you imagine what 4'10" tall pygmy tribesmen would say about
your
> "standard pace"? Great bleedin' leap they'd call it!
>
> As I recall from a bit of CF land nav training, part of the trick to
good
> land nav (other than having a good bit of skill with map, compass,
judging
> reference points, and working in a team which really is the key) was
to pace
> out a reference distance like a 100 m or a km or so and get a feel for
your
> standard pace. Once you know what your standard pace is, on average,
it
> becomes far easier to navigate effectively (given that, for some sad
reason,
> your GPS is conked).
>
> Even 120 ppm or 60 ppm can be quite fun to try to keep within +/-10%
when
> marching. It takes a good sense of timing or lots of practice to get
this
> plus or minus a pace regularly. Of course, this need for practice is
usually
> generously granted (in place of that rather mundane and rather
indulgent
> activity known as sleep) by most infantry instructors I've met.
They're a
> generous lot, when it comes to handing their recruits "growth
experiences"
> or "self-improvment excercises". ;)
>
> - ------------------------------------------
> Thomas R. S. Barclay
> Voice: (613) 722-3232 ext 349
> e-mail: tomb@bitheads.com
>
> Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies.
>
> Voltaire (1694-1778), on his death bed in response to a priest asking
that
> he renounce Satan.
> - ------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:11:48 -0800
> From: "Laserlight" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
> Subject: Re: [FT] Unofficial Official Lists?
>
> > >And if you don't encounter their commandos
> > >you have to dodge the buoys they
> > >leave all over the place:-)
> >
> > Mind you it doesn't hurt that the OU seems to claim buoys that were
> > probably put there by the Illuminati. More surprising is the fact
> the
> > Illuminati haven't corrected this behaviour, wonder what they're
> getting
> > out of it... ;)
> >
> > Beth
> >
> Actually the OU claims buoys that were put out by the AE, but we've
> come to agreement on that issue and of course we never run into the
> buoys since we were the ones who placed them.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:13:20 -0500
> From: "Barclay, Tom" <tomb@bitheads.com>
> Subject: DS2/FW/BGC figures identified. Thanks!
>
> Thanks!!!! Kudos!!!! Virtual Pat-on-the-backs!!!!
>
> To Brian B., Bob A., and the others who have contributed input.
Awesome. Now
> I know what I want to order for DS2 to build my first formation _not_
> composed of GHQ figs (an NSL Luftelandesturm Combat Group -
(reinforced
> B'n)).
>
> (god, not another line of figures to keep up with..... and paint.....
I must
> be an idiot.... or a masochist.... or an idiotic masochist....)
>
> <*LOL!*>
>
> As usual, list response was quick, pleasant, and entirely useful. This
is a
> great community! :)
>
> - ------------------------------------------
> Thomas R. S. Barclay
> Voice: (613) 722-3232 ext 349
> e-mail: tomb@bitheads.com
>
> Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies.
>
> Voltaire (1694-1778), on his death bed in response to a priest asking
that
> he renounce Satan.
> - ------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 02:33:02 +0100
> From: "chubbybob" <bob@retemail.es>
> Subject: pics needed .. hoping to get lucky like tom barclay...heheh
>
> Hi folks..
>
> Does anyone have any images of the scotia miniature 6mm figures.
I
> have some figs that I think are scotia but not sure and would like
some
> more... however not having pics I am loathe to order without seeing
them
> first.. If anyone can help please send to
> bob@retemail.es
>
> BTW no need for power armour troops I have these and know Scotia to be
the
> source thanks to Jon Tuffley...?=0).
>
> Many thanks
> Bob deAngelis
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:57:42 -0500
> From: "Barclay, Tom" <tomb@bitheads.com>
> Subject: [DS2] Handling interface vehicle design
>
> I was just looking at the VT-40 Boxcar, and the VT-51 Super Boxcar
VTOLs. I
> figure these are either respectively a class 2 & 3 or class 3 & 4
(depends
> on how they scale next to tanks, etc) interface-capable landers.
>
> Now, I know DS2 suggests that interface landing capability is only a %
added
> to the cost of forces. That seems unsatisfying though. If all the
landers
> were doing was "in, drop the troops, out", then I'd buy that. But some
> landers could be armed. And the even with strictly landing models, ECM
> levels, etc. could vary. So costing them as a flat percentage seems
odd.
>
> But, OTOH, if you go to buy them as vehicles, how do you purchase
them?
> Interface landers like these boxcars appear to perhaps be (cross
between
> VTOL and rocket lander - kind of like an aliens dropship?) - would you
buy
> them as Aerospace craft mobility or VTOL? If bought as VTOL, do you
then
> tack on the interface capable percentage? If they are used as
"transport"
> but have no weapons, you can end up with some pretty expensive taxis
that
> don't give you a lot of battlefield oomph for the number of points
involved.
>
> Yet buying them as vehicles feels right, because then you have the
choice of
> buying cheap landers (eggshell armour, no ECM or PDS) designed to get
lots
> of troops down quickly but to take brutal casualties in a contested
LZ, or
> you buy better high-ECM, high-PDS, high (as you can) armour models
designed
> to offer your forces maximum survivability - you want your expensive
troops
> to arrive on the battlefield. <I suppose strategy depends on force
> composition - elites need better protection than hordes of rabble for
whose
> leaders some fair casualties are "acceptable losses">.
>
> I'm just curious how other people have handled this - presumably
orbital
> assault landings have been run by others. What did you do? How did it
work
> out?
>
> - ------------------------------------------
> Thomas R. S. Barclay
> Voice: (613) 722-3232 ext 349
> e-mail: tomb@bitheads.com
>
> Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies.
>
> Voltaire (1694-1778), on his death bed in response to a priest asking
that
> he renounce Satan.
> - ------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:28:38 -0600
> From: Andy Cowell <andy@cowell.org>
> Subject: Re: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some
names
t o them...
>
> In message <4.2.2.20001208112849.00a6b530@pop.hba.marine.csiro.au>,
Beth Fult
on
> writes:
> > G'day Tom,
> >
> > >http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-1.jpg (SPG on the far left?)
> >
> > I have absolutely no idea what that acronym means (the SG/DS
discussions on
>
> Self-Propelled Gun, I would think.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:52:35 EST
> From: Glenn m wilson <triphibious@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: rules cheat sheet
>
> On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:05:21 +1100 Beth Fulton
> <beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au> writes:
> >G'day Mike,
> >
> > >Answer the human pace, generally
> > >reckoned to be about 30" (2.5 feet).
> > >
> > >Well it makes sense to me......
> >
> >Unless of course they're paced out by me (5'6") and then Derek (6'2")
> >tries
> >to follow the instructions (we were doing a treasure hunt for the
> >kids)...
> >the results were so off I started thinking about doing an SG scenario
> >where
> >the untrained militia had to find the cache of weapons before the bad
> >guys
> >got there ;)
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Beth
> >
>
> Well, Since I am 5' 5", next time I'll come as Derek's "personal
Pacer"
> and then maybe there would be time for a FT/SG/DS2 game session (with
all
> the time I could save in the treasure hunt.)
>
> I understand, my pace is just a tad over 2 feet for some reason when I
am
> trying to 'measure' something but a bit longer when I am just walking.
> Completely consistent in doing that for some odd reason (but then my
12
> year old daughter and I take turns teasing each other about being
> 'strange' and it's pretty easy for her since her Dad does all that
'war
> game stuff'' - would have been easier for her had we still been doing
D&D
> when she arrived from India...)
>
> Gracias, Triphibious/Glenn (first war game played 1959)
> Triphibious Marines = Nektons.
> Not all Frogs are French, or even Human!
> Nektons, be all the Marine you can be!
> Resistance is EVERYTHING! [And MANDATORY!]
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:34:37 +1100
> From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au>
> Subject: Re: ...now I've got the pics.... and I need help putting some
names
t o them...
>
> G'day Andy,
>
> >Self-Propelled Gun, I would think.
>
> Awww... OK ;)
>
> I know this has been asked before and I'm sorry to bring it up again
but is
> there a list of acronyms somewhere on the net that I can use to
decipher
> what you guys are rabbiting on about? ;)
>
> Thanks
>
> Beth
>
> -
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> Elizabeth Fulton
> c/o CSIRO Division of Marine Research
> GPO Box 1538
> HOBART
> TASMANIA 7001
> AUSTRALIA
> Phone (03) 6232 5018 International +61 3 6232 5018
> Fax 03 6232 5053 International +61 3 6232 5053
>
> email: beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:37:42 +1100
> From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au>
> Subject: Re: rules cheat sheet
>
> G'day Glenn,
>
> >Well, Since I am 5' 5", next time I'll
> >come as Derek's "personal Pacer"
> >and then maybe there would be time
> >for a FT/SG/DS2 game session (with all
> >the time I could save in the treasure hunt.)
>
> Sounds like an excellent idea! I'm sure Honor (our dog) and the kids
are
> still nosing out eggs from last Easter's efforts ;)
>
> Cheers
>
> Beth
>
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> Elizabeth Fulton
> c/o CSIRO Division of Marine Research
> GPO Box 1538
> HOBART
> TASMANIA 7001
> AUSTRALIA
> Phone (03) 6232 5018 International +61 3 6232 5018
> Fax 03 6232 5053 International +61 3 6232 5053
>
> email: beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:42:32 +1100
> From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au>
> Subject: [FT, SG] Tell the world, I've updated the page
>
> G'day guys,
>
> Derek's asked me to pass along this message for him:
>
> "I've updated the page with 3 OU ships design and more images"
>
> So for the gentleman after some OU designs these might be for you.
> As for the pics they're mostly of my greys, and their hangers-on as
well as
> my Nuns - St^3 Jon deserves a big round of applause on those figs....
all
> that bare flesh has distracted enough guys long enough to give me a
fitting
> chance in squad level combat ;)
>
> Cheers
>
> Beth
>
> -
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Subject: Re: rules cheat sheet was Re: Mobile infantry in SG2
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Definitely (regarding an index of SG2)!
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From: "Allan Goodall" <awg@sympatico.ca>
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Subject: Re: rules cheat sheet was Re: Mobile infantry in SG2
> On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:00:50 -0600, "Joseph Arnold" <jdarnold@siu.edu>
wrote:
>
> >Praise be to Jah! Don't get me wrong, I love the GZG systems, but
they
are
> >just about the most user-unfriendly rulebooks ever made for wargames
(at
> >least for games I've played). A useful index/concordance is long
overdue.
>
> Uh... no they're not. *L*
>
> First off, SG2 makes a sort of weird semblance of sense once you've
used
it a
> bit. The trick is that you REALLY have to pay attention to the section
> headings at the very top of the pages.
>
> Second, Jon can actually write in literate sentences. Try reading Phil
> Barker's DBA or DBM rules sometime. Particularly the earlier editions.
>
> Third, those boxes with the shortcuts to the rules are a good
addition.
You
> should see some of the old SPI rule books where they spent a couple of
> paragraphs defining polyhedral dice!!! *shudder*
>
> I guess what everyone's saying is that if I find myself in a
masochistic
mood
> soon, an index of SG2 would be... desired?
>
>
> Allan Goodall awg@sympatico.ca
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> "Surprisingly, when you throw two naked women with sex
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It occured to me in the discussion of vector-added SMs that maybe K-guns
should see some vectorish effects. So I thought about it.
Assuming a 15 minute turn, and a 1000km distance mu.
We know that the K-gun can hit range 30.
Assuming the projectiles took the entire round to arrive, we're still
talking about 120,000 kph.
For a ship to hit the same speed, it would need to be moving at least 30
mu
per turn.
Now, thus if we presume railgun shots only move that fast (taking the
whole
turn to arrive), then presumably
any ship moving more than about 10-25% of this speed would start to have
a
measurable effect on impact.
Thus, any ship moving faster than about 3-8 mu would start to effect the
impact.
But, we all know one of those assumptions is bogus. The assumption that
seems bogus is that it takes the projectiles an entire turn to cross the
distance between ships. It could actually be anywhere from near nothing
to
15 mins. What we set this speed for railgun rounds at (ignoring
acceleration
issues for the moment) will determine at what velocity ship vectors
start to
affect railgun shots significantly.
Let us say that anytime the ship moves more than 25% of the max range of
the
shot in the same time period, ship velocity should probably have
significance to the impact of the shot. Probably not to the range
because I
assume the limit on range is not the 30" limit, but rather that is the
limit
of targetting (effective range). The projected slugs probably keep on
flying.
So, quickly doing some handwaving math
Vi = (30 * Fi)/Tf
Vi - velocity in mu where ship speed starts to effect the impact (our
arbitrarily chosen 25% of projectile velocity)
Fi - fraction of ship velocity needed to see an impact from ship
velocity
(25% for now)
Tf - the fraction of the turn it takes the railgun round to reach 30"
range
(1, 0.1, 0.01, etc)
Some results, assuming Fi 25% (0.25) and varying Tf
Tf (1) --> Vi = 7.5 mu (15 mins for railgun shot to cross 30,000km,
round
averages 120,000 kph)
Tf(0.5) --> Vi = 15 mu (7.5 min, 240,000 kph)
Tf(0.25) --> Vi = 30 mu (3.75 min, 480,000 kph)
Tf(0.1) --> Vi = 75 mu (1.5 mins, 1,200,000 kph)
What does this tell me?
Interesting? I wonder how fast a railgun projectile should travel. If it
is
less than 480,000 kph, then some velocities we actually use in the game
should probably effect impact energy. (Assuming my Fi factor of 25% is
useful and my math isn't all silly). If railguns are firing rounds at
0.1 c
(30,000 kps I think?), then certainly the ship would have to be moving
at
least 75,000 kps (or a damn sight farther than any ship probably could,
even
given Oerjan's penchant for cms and large floors!).
So, the end result is, assuming the railguns accelerate masses to even
0.01c-fractional speeds (which they might), ship velocity certainly
won't
play a part. Mind you, if the railguns are slow (by that standard... say
a
mere 500,000 kph for the projectile), then we should notice velocity
effects
on the projectile.
<Note: I am particularly studying the case where the ship is pointed in
the
same direction as the K-gun... other cases obviously require some trig.>
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