Re: Mobile infantry in SG2
From: Glenn m wilson <triphibious@j...>
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:41:57 EST
Subject: Re: Mobile infantry in SG2
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:36:12 -0600 "Joseph Arnold" <jdarnold@siu.edu>
writes:
>Touche. However I did have the caveat "that I've played." I've never
>played
>DB Anything, saw too much text in the rulebooks, and let's face it,
>who
>wants to read all that :P. I guess my main complaint with the GZG
>books is
>they are a little bit hard to navigate. I do appreciate the little
>grey
>boxes with the core rule nuggets, but it is sometimes hard to find the
>exact
>rule I need during a game. Admittedly, I don't play as often as some
>on the
>list, so the books aren't second nature to me. Plus, I haven't even
>cracked
>my book since getting back into college. Let's just say some of the
>rules
>seem to be placed wierdly (at least to me).
>Jay
>
Alan's comments about the 'dark side' of my beloved old SPI rules was
dead on target. That said, I haven't had any trouble understanding
rules
for DS2 and while initially it took a few minutes to find things when I
was 'playing in my mind (as opposed to on the table)' it never was as
much trouble as DBR... Maybe that's why I never picked up DBM.
Joe, Perhaps you should come up with some real life incidents and
forward them to GZG. Constructive critiques never hurt. And there may
be some better way to do something. Or you could just strong-arm Alan
into writing that index. 8^)
Gracias, Triphibious/Glenn (first war game played 1959)
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>And if you don't encounter their commandos
>you have to dodge the buoys they
>leave all over the place:-)
Mind you it doesn't hurt that the OU seems to claim buoys that were
probably put there by the Illuminati. More surprising is the fact the
Illuminati haven't corrected this behaviour, wonder what they're getting
out of it... ;)
Beth
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devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> ***
> I have dones something similar for Dirtside. I ran off a 5 pages
> single-sided and we place them on a bulletin board we keep handy to
the
> battle as a quick reference. I did not put number or page references
> against them though, that is a great idea.
> ***
>
> Well, the point is that a sheet with JUST page references means the
> original ruleset is still required, protecting Jon's interests.
True enough. Our sheets were mostly the key tables and some short
snippets of rules. Keeping the reference on the entries just never
occurred to me 'cause the rulebook itself is always laying right next to
it... but it sure would save time when we do have to look something up.
> I must say the idea of such organization for the DSII and SGII
certainly
> appeals to me. I've always had the feeling they were more than I could
bite
> off at one go. I always felt the writing was clear and friendly, just
that
> trying to get my mind around how it fit together just never lasted
longer
> than my attention span, diverted by moving to and fro in the book(s).
Similar experience with Dirtside. We also like the reference sheets
cause we do not play as regularly as we would like, and it it allows us
to forego the effort to memorize in detail and just relax and have fun.
> A one-page description/flowchart with references for more details is
> probably an ideal. It requires the book for learning and resolving
> exceptions, but allows a visual cue while playing. DSII has it's turn
> sequence found on pg 17, and that part isn't the step-by-step
simplicity I
> guess I've grown to expect out of a game I'm trying to learn.
I agree on both counts. One page is great - not too much detail, but
enough to be useful. And page 17 does stand out in the midst of the rest
of the well contrived rules as something that seemed like "oh, no, we
forgot to..."
> It's unfortunate that such thresholds usually mean someone simply
drops the
> whole idea rather than picking it up again at a later date.
>
> By the way, for those who might feel the same way, do you think it's
> because players are expected, even if unintentionally, to have a
> familiarity with how other games systems work, or are we supposed to
be
> creative in working out those details ourselves? ;->=
I think it is an issue of the writing process. From experience when a
group of us tried to collaborate on some rules many years ago much of
the content flow was determined as things came to mind. Perhaps the
items were related, perhaps they weren't. Later revisions would tend to
adjust the latter but would have trouble with moving the former.But then
again that could have just been us :)
> The_Beast
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That sounds like a great figure for a Brin fan and someone that paints
25mm figs just for fun. Anyone know of where any pics could be found?
<gripe class="semi-rhetorical">
Why is that, for having such a visual product, the mini-biz really seems
to come up short using pics on the web?
</gripe>
Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:
> From: "Jeremy Sadler" <webmaster@stargrunt.com>
> Subject: Re: Uplift FT (was Re: Am I a Republic revisionist?)
>
>> There are a couple of seemingly Uplift "inspired" minis on the 100
Club
>> listing at Eureka... http://www.eurekamin.com.au
>>
>> (I saw one "dolphin in walking harness")
>
>
> That was mine. Also useful for OUDF..
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G'day Mike,
>Answer the human pace, generally
>reckoned to be about 30" (2.5 feet).
>
>Well it makes sense to me......
Unless of course they're paced out by me (5'6") and then Derek (6'2")
tries
to follow the instructions (we were doing a treasure hunt for the
kids)...
the results were so off I started thinking about doing an SG scenario
where
the untrained militia had to find the cache of weapons before the bad
guys
got there ;)
Cheers
Beth
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G'day,
>According to Canon (FT FB#1) SML can move up to 24" in their
>missile attack mode (non-vector movement). ER Salvo Missiles
>recieve an additional turn of movement? Yes?
>
>If so, how much movement?
I don't have the book with me, but I'm pretty sure they just get 36"
instead of 24", but I'm sure these guys will correct me if I'm wrong ;)
Beth
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Beth Fulton wrote:
>
> G'day,
>
> >According to Canon (FT FB#1) SML can move up to 24" in their
> >missile attack mode (non-vector movement). ER Salvo Missiles
> >recieve an additional turn of movement? Yes?
> >
> >If so, how much movement?
>
> I don't have the book with me, but I'm pretty sure they just get 36"
> instead of 24", but I'm sure these guys will correct me if I'm wrong
;)
>
> Beth
>
That's right, ER salvos have a 36" range band while regular missiles
have a 24"
Jaime
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Jaime Tiampo wrote:
>
> Beth Fulton wrote:
> >
> > G'day,
> >
> > >According to Canon (FT FB#1) SML can move up to 24" in their
> > >missile attack mode (non-vector movement). ER Salvo Missiles
> > >recieve an additional turn of movement? Yes?
> > >
> > >If so, how much movement?
> >
> > I don't have the book with me, but I'm pretty sure they just get 36"
> > instead of 24", but I'm sure these guys will correct me if I'm wrong
;)
> >
> > Beth
> >
>
> That's right, ER salvos have a 36" range band while regular missiles
> have a 24"
>
> Jaime
Also...
Both standard range and extended range salvos have one turn of endurance
under the standard rules.
Jon
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Beth,
You are correct. It's on page 12 of the Fleet Book in the section
labelled "Summary of Weapon Systems and Effects". Incidently, I stumbled
across your web site the other day. LOVED picture of the Jeanne d'Arc.
What
a wonderful paint job.
Bob
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> G'day,
>
> >According to Canon (FT FB#1) SML can move up to 24" in their
> >missile attack mode (non-vector movement). ER Salvo Missiles
> >recieve an additional turn of movement? Yes?
> >
> >If so, how much movement?
>
> I don't have the book with me, but I'm pretty sure they just get 36"
> instead of 24", but I'm sure these guys will correct me if I'm wrong
;)
>
> Beth
>
>
>
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>
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> Elizabeth Fulton
> c/o CSIRO Division of Marine Research
> GPO Box 1538
> HOBART
> TASMANIA 7001
> AUSTRALIA
> Phone (03) 6232 5018 International +61 3 6232 5018
> Fax 03 6232 5053 International +61 3 6232 5053
>
> email: beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au
>
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G'day,
>You are correct. It's on page 12 of
>the Fleet Book in the section
>labelled "Summary of Weapon
>Systems and Effects".
I must only remember important things ;)
>Incidently, I stumbled
>across your web site the other day.
>LOVED picture of the Jeanne d'Arc. What
>a wonderful paint job.
Thanks. I'm not one for all grey ships - the fact my office window looks
out on the bright red Aurora Australis (Aussie Antarctic vessel) all
winter
may have something to do with that ;)
Cheers
Beth
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DS2 and SG2 guys (especially my British list-brothers who have a better
chance to have seen some of this stuff), take a gander at these and help
me
identify the vehicles/figures in question:
http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/mc-1.jpg (what order codes? how big?
As
large as the older Heavy Gear minis? Or on a par with modern GZG-PA?)
http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-dfv-2.jpg (what are the 3 VTOLs -
ignore the Ftr)
http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-dfv-1.jpg (I assume the first one
on
the left here is the VT-51 Super Boxcar and the second one is the VT-40
Boxcar... but what are the 3 VTOLs and the last vehicle - which I
suspect of
being a VTOL cargo carrier of some type but I'm not sure - maybe a VT-36
flying pig?)
http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-dfk-1.jpg (the last 4 vehicles on
the
right?)
http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/dsm-1.jpg (SPG on the far left?)
http://www.gtns.net/gzg/oldimages/bgc-03.jpg (the 4 dudes in armour?)
Thanks for any information guys! :)
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