RE: [FT] DDs and DHs inspired by WW2 types

I've also been looking at WWII destroyers (mostly in old JANE'S).  I
like
some of your designs, here, but I think that the FT SMPs simulate
destroyer-launched torpedos better than SLMs.  

The thing that keeps killing me when trying to transfer real-world 20th
Century designs to FT is firing arcs.  The main batteries on most
post-dreadnought ships have 5 arcs (either no F, or no A arc), which is
REALLY expensive in FT terms, and tends to cause such ships to lose out
to
ships carrying far more weaponry in more restricted arcs.  I am
particularly
disturbed when I hear about designs that use so-called "off-set" weapons
--
where all weapons bear on the F, FP, AP arcs (or the starboard
equivalent)
or even only on the FP arc, and depend on rolling the ship to bring all
weapons to bear.

Actual naval designs have always had to deal with trade-offs of weight,
firing arc, and symmetry (since putting all the guns on the same side
would
quickly capsize you).  Sometimes this has led to wedding cakes,
sometimes to
broadside batteries (and could again, as in the Honor Harrington books).
Have any of you experimented with restricting the number/kind of weapons
on
a single arc?

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Paul [mailto:Robin.Paul@tesco.net]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:04 PM
To: GZG List
Subject: [FT] DDs and DHs inspired by WW2 types

I've been reading "Destroyers of WW2" lately, and devising some FT\FB1
destroyers derived from WW2 prototypes.  The Fleet Book designs are in a
more post-WW2 "DD\CL" style, and WW2-derived ships are more in the
"eggshell
with hammer" style.  They also tend to be a bit on the big side for FT
destroyers, to allow a bit more differentiation.  The flush decker
version1
is horribly vulnerable, and "Shimakaze" is just a monster, but I think
the
others are quite usable, especially the J/K/N and the Akizuki.

Rob Paul

British-type fleet destroyer (e.g. J/K/N class) 	  113 points
Mass 35 					    Hull Integrity-7
(weak)
Thrust-5
FTL
1 Fire Control System
3 Class-2 batteries, 3-arc
2 Salvo Missile Rack, Medium Range
1 PDS

British V&W AA destroyer				     80 points
Mass 23 					    Hull Integrity-7
(weak)
Thrust-5
FTL
1 Fire Control System
1 ADFC
2 Class-1 batteries, 6-arc
3 PDS

USN Fletcher-class Destroyer				    149 points
Mass 43 					    Hull Integrity-9
(weak)
Thrust-6
FTL
1 Fire Control System
1 ADFC
1 Class-2 battery, 3-arc
1 Class-1 battery, 6-arc
2 Salvo Missile Rack, Medium Range
3 PDS

USN Flush-deck Destroyer (Wickes\Clemson) v.1	  111 points
Mass 31 					  Hull Integrity-3
(fragile)
Thrust-5
FTL
1 Fire Control System
2 Class-1 batteries, 6-arc
2 Salvo Missile Launchers
2 Mass-4 Salvo Missile magazines (8 mass total)

USN Flush-deck Destroyer (Wickes\Clemson) v.2	 112 points
Mass 32 					  Hull Integrity-6
(weak)
Thrust-5
FTL
1 Fire Control System
2 Class-1 batteries, 6-arc
12 Submunition Packs

IJN Shimakaze superdestroyer				    168 points
Mass 48 					  Hull Integrity-5
(fragile)
Thrust-6
FTL
1 Fire Control System
3 Class-2 batteries, 3-arc
3 Salvo Missile Racks, Extended Range
1 PDS
Armour-1

IJN Akizuki class destroyer				       120
points
Mass 34 					    Hull Integrity-7
(weak)
Thrust-5
FTL
1 Fire Control System
1 ADFC
4 Class-1 batteries, 6-arc
1 Salvo Missile Rack, Medium Range
4 PDS