RE: Artillery strikes

If it was DS2 I would limit the artillery to Harrasising Fire (i.e. no
casualties, just underfire [suppression] markers). I don't know what (if
any) is the equivilent in SG2.

Using the above, no, you could not take out the unit with artillery
while in
the woods, but you could pin it down to let you get in range for your
close
assault. (Artillery softens resistance and disrupts the enemy, Infantry
take
and hold land).

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Brian Bell
bkb@beol.net	
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: agoodall@canada.com [SMTP:agoodall@canada.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:33 PM
> To:	gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
> Subject:	Re: Artillery strikes
> 
> On Tue, 01 August 2000, Kevin Balentine wrote:
> 
> > How do you guys feel about calling in an arty strike
> > on a location where the player "knows" where the enemy
> > is, such as inside a forest, but where the figure
> > calling in the strike shouldn't have that good a guess
> > about it?
[snip]
> But your question is more subtle: can a player use up an artillery
strike
> on a set of woods knowing that a unit is in the woods, even if the
unit
> can't be spotted. 
> 
> The way the rules are worded, it's perfectly legal. 
[snip]
>  Is it realistic? That's harder to argue. American units were pretty
> artillery happy (definitely in the Vietnam War, but even in WW2). I
could
> see the American player arguing that it is VERY realistic. 
> 
> Of course, now I have to wonder a couple of other things: what size
> artillery was coming down on the Germans? If we're talking company
level
> artillery, it's probably mortar support if it only took 1 turn of
> "incoming" on the inbound box. It wouldn't be hard to believe that an
> American unit would use a mortar barrage on a line of woods that could
> still have Germans in it. If it was in box 2 or 3, due to being higher
> level support from battalion or regimental assets, it would have been
> harder to call in. If it was box 2 or 3, what the heck were the
Germans
> doing hanging around the woods for a turn or two with artillery
inbound?
[snip]
> One last suggestion. If I was refereeing, and wanted it a bit more
> realistic, I'd pull the player aside and say, "Okay, here's the scoop.
You
> know the Germans are in there. We can see them. Your units, though,
can
> not. So, you have to decide RIGHT NOW how many barrages you're going
to
> call down on the woods until you can get troops in there to see if it
was
> cleared out. Tell me right now how many "clean hits" you want on the
> woods." Then, I'd have him call in the strikes. If he says, "One,"
then
> that's all I'd allow from him even if it meant no casualties. If he
says,
> "Five," I'd force him to call in five artillery strikes, even if the
first
> one wipes out the German unit. 
> 
> That's the advantage of playing a scenario with a referee. If,
however,
> there is no ref, I'd suggest just playing as the rules allow and
realize
> you give up a little realism for some playability.
> 
> Allan Goodall - agoodall@canada.com
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