RE: FB2 Fleets (or "How I Learned to Hate the Savasku")

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
> [mailto:owner-gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU]On Behalf Of Bell, Brian K
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 3:06 PM
> To: 'gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU'
> Subject: RE: FB2 Fleets (or "How I Learned to Hate the Savasku")
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Sindre Cools Berg [SMTP:cobos@saers.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:44 AM
> > To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
> > Subject:	RE: FB2 Fleets (or "How I Learned to Hate the Savasku")
> >
> [snip]
> > After being thouroughly trashed by the Savasku a few times I've
learned
> > that
> > you HAVE to make them use their power for manouvering to be able to
> > survive.... But another thing I find really bad with the Savasku is
the
> > fact
> > that they can still dish out immense amounts of damage after
> taking a few
> > hits in ANY arc. They can still put 40beam dice in their rear arc,
and
> > mostly all the Savasku ships have enough stingers to mean the only
real
> > "damage" you do to Savasku is the PowerGen, as they've got enough
> > redundency
> > to punch darn hard even after losing almost every stinger...And they
are
> > effectively never out of arc, which again means forcing them to
manouver
> > is
> > darn hard... Though this might be because of the "low" (at
> least compared
> > to
> > Ørjan) speeds we normally use (10-15ish).
> >
> > Just thought I'd add my own problems with the Savasku, though I must
> > condition it with the fact that I've only played like 3 battles
against
> > them...
> >
> > Sindre
> -----End Original Message-----
>
> There are some difficulties in your post.
>
> 1. Of the published designs, only 3 SV have rear arc capability.
I don't have the FB2 with me here, but you are right I assume, but I can
limit my point a bit and then it still stands....Except rear arc, you
can be
in mostly any arc with the Savasku (except mostly rear) and they can
still
hit you darn hard, often beam damage similar to the heavy NSL ships....

> 2. Only 2 of the designs have 40+ power.
Still the smaller ones can when they get all concentrated on weapon deal
out
heavier damage than a beam-heavy NSL in ALL arcs (except rear), while
most
other weapons pay through their nose for all-arc weapons the the Savasku
get
away VERY cheap with really only 2 stingers one FP/F/FS and one AP/A/AS
and
they can fire anywhere....
> 3. Yes, the designs have redundant arcs, but so do most other
> species ships.
>
Well the point is if you loose weapons as any other species/nation you
loose
firepower too...up until the last stinger the Savasku keeps pumping out
the
same level of damage and as such they are almost invulverable to
threshold
damage with power not lost during the round... You have to be able to
actually blow away ALL stingers to be able to affect the Savasku's
ability
to damage, while on all the others any system lost at threshold means
they
function at lesser capacity, for the Savasku the effect first comes the
next
round... Which makes them a lot better able to face losing the
iniative...

> However, on the 4 largest SV ships your comments about losses to
> thresholds
> are valid. Unless you get a power center, a loss of a stinger
> node will not
> be noticed (if it is concentrating power on one ship at a time).
>
> And your comments on makeing	the SV maneuver is correct. The way
> to defeat
> the SV is to draw them into splitting thier power between several
power
> categories. Now, how to do this is another problem.
>
> I would think that the NAC would be the best opponent for the SV from
the
> human side. The combination of beam and torpedo weapons should keep
the SV
> off-guard somewhat. They should have to provide points to screens or
> maneuver. A combination fleet of NAC/FSE would be even harder, as
> they would
> also have to use power for the spicules. But any way you look at it
the SV
> are tough opponents.
Possible but in the tournament we had for a few weeks ago the Savasku
beated
all the other players in around 4 or 5 matches, against widely different
oppononts, and the Savasku player is not even a very experienced FT
player..
But I'm not saying they are inbeatable, just darn hard :(
>
>
> -----
> Brian Bell
> bkb@beol.net
> http://members.xoom.com/rlyehable/ft/
> -----
>
>
>

Sindre