Re: [FH] Dollars per credit

How many carriers does the USN have now?  Better yet, how many
non-combatant
ships does the USN have?  I suspect that if you add up the equivalent
costs
of all USN vessels and squadrons (aircraft), you may end up with a
figure
closer to the 186,000 points rather than the 4200 level.

Okay, maybe mass is not really the right item to be basing this on.  I
'd
actually look at this porblem a little differently--in that FT ships are
not
direct analogs of current ships.  In other words, I wouldn't go by
tonnage
but by crew size.

If you look at the crew figures for vessels, I think you'd end up with
some
very different numbers.  For instance, when I was trying to determine an
appropriate force level for the Far Stars Union, I didn't equate a
carrier
to a carrier.  Rather, I looked at the crew of a FT carrier and matched
that
up with whatever current vessel that would be close to.  Since the FSU
that
I was imagining has a population in the 20-30 million range, I wanted to
see
if my force levels were reasonable.

Well, since the crew of an FT Destroyer is about 30, these correspond to
modern day patrol boats (PHG-1 or similar).  A FT carrier's crew is
about
180 and corresponds to a large modern destroyer.

I suspect that if you ran a comparison of $ based upon crew, the figures
might be closer to what you are looking for (but I certainly am not
going to
do it).  :-)

Have fun!

Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: Laserlight <laserlight@quixnet.net>
To: GZG List <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 11:27 PM
Subject: [FH] Dollars per credit

> aebrain wrote (in addition to interesting stuff about making a
> computer in your own kitchen):
>
> >4000 tonne frigate costs about $800 mill these days - 5 tonnes/
> mill
> >A size 100 ( 10,000t ) FT ship costs about 350 MCr - about
> 25-30 tonnes per
> >MCr. So we have 1 Cr is about the same as $25 in military
> purchasing power.
>
> Oops--a 10,000t FT ship costs about 350_points_ , therefore
> 3500MCr.
>
> Modern Frigate $800M/4000t = $200,000 per ton
> NAC DDH (the famous _Hypothetical_ class) 4000t = 40 mass times
> 3.5 = 140 points = 1400MCr, ie about Cr350,000 per ton.
> Or Cr1.75 per dollar.
>
> Sanity check:
>
>  US GDP  $8,510,000,000,000
>  Military budget (rate)  3.40%
>  Military budget ($)	289,340,000,000
> >>> 1 Cr per $25 = Cr 11,573,600,000
>  MCr	11,574
>  Navy portion  35%
>  Ship contruction  35%
>  Annual construction budget (MCr)  1,418
>  Annual construction budget (points)	142
>  Effective ship lifetime (years)  30
>  Total value, all ships  4,253
>
> Now, some of my figures are rough, but I'd say that the USN has
> somewhat more than 4200 points worth of ships.
>
> On the other hand, if we use $1 = Cr 1.75, we wind up with
> 186,082 points worth of ships.  My initial feel is that that's
> rather high.
>
> Comments?
>
> -------Laserlight
>
>