RE: [DS] Specialist Elements

Hi Back Owen,

This is one of the reasons I proposed more than one class of APSW - The
5.56 
weapons seemed obviously too light to be APSW's, and the .50 cal and
40mm 
grens were OBVIOUSLY APSW's, but it left me asking "What about 7.62 mm
and 
such?"	I don't know what the American equivalent of your Section is,
but 
the M240G, to quote the USMC, as they use it, is "able to provide a
heavy, 
controlled volume of accurate, long range fire that is far beyond the 
capabilities of individual small arms." Moreover, the maximum effective 
range is listed as 1,800 meters (forgive the yank spelling), which 
definitely gives it, in DS terms, range on the order of an APSW.  The
M249 
SAW, on the other hand, "supplements the firepower of the... M16A2
rifle."  
Definitely part of a rifle element, not an APSW.

Which brings us back to, "OK, if 7.62's an APSW (Humor me for the sake
of 
arguement), and .50 cal is an APSW, that's a heel of a lot of divergence
of 
power within one weapon class." Which is why I proposed that APSW's be
split 
into APSW/M's (APSW's as we know them)and APSW/H's(NAstier than APSW's,
not 
as scary as an RFAC 1).

Brian Bilderback

>From: "Glover, Owen" <oglover@museum.vic.gov.au>
>Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
>To: "'gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU'" <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
>Subject: RE: [DS] Specialist Elements
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:46:05 +1000
>
>Hi Brian,
>
>I'd have to argue against this. First I apologise if this is tending to
get
>off thread a little...
>
>DS, Page 13 - the APSW is quoted as "...eg. heavy MG, Automatic grenade
>Launcher or equivalent." - Mk19 AGL and 50 Cal equiv
>
>The Rifle team is described as "...also contain a light team support
weapon
>(an LMG or GPMG equivalent0..."  Minimi and MAG58
>
>The Australian Army Infantry Centre, Small Arms Wing, implemented the
>replacement of the MAG58 with the Minimi. At section level. The MAG58
is
>retained as a tripod mounted support weapon at Coy and Bn level. In
this
>role then classification as APSW may be warranted but bear in mind that
>First Line for a section something like 1,000 rds and for a SFMG it is
>40,000!!! The SFMG has tripod and C2 site system as well....it really
does
>need a vehicle and 3 men to operate it!
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Owen G
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Bilderback [mailto:bbilderback@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 21 April 2000 10:29
> > To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
> > Subject: RE: [DS] Specialist Elements
> >
> >
> > I'd argue that the M240 IS an APSW, while the M249 is NOT -
> > quite a bit of
> > difference between a weapon that fires 7.62 mm ammo, is
> > replacing the M-60,
> > and is used for fire support at the PLATOON level, and a 5.56
> > mm weapon,
> > capable of using an AR clip, and called a SQUAD Automatic Weapon.
JMO.
> >
> > Brian B
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Glover, Owen" <oglover@museum.vic.gov.au>
> > >Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
> > >To: "'gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU'" <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
> > >Subject: RE: [DS] Specialist Elements
> > >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:04:26 +1000
> > >
> > >Oops, to clarify before John A gets jumpy I misreferred to
> > the M240 as the
> > >M249...doesn't change my comment though, the MAG58/M240 is
> > still not an
> > >APSW...it is replacing the M60E3 in the USMC and we
> > (Australian Army) used
> > >it for quite a few years as an interim between the venerable M60
and
> > >Minimi....
> > >
> > >Owen G
> > >
> > >
> >
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