Re: [ds] Ogres

On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Chen-Song Qin wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Thomas Anderson wrote:
> > size 6 is 30 cp. a turreted size 5 gun is 15 cp. an extra apsw is 1
cp (if
> > you think that an apsw is a 7.62 mm mg; i'd be tempted to say that
both
> > together count as one). what takes up the rest of the room?
> Remember that not all tanks have the perfectly efficient design where
> everything is fit in exactly under the limit.  There could be a lot of
> slack.

in this case, 14 or 15 cp of slack! if you're going to allow oversize
guns - explicitly not allowed in ds2, although i think they should be
:-)
- and gun size larger than vehicle size (is this allowed? my memory is a
bit hazy here) then, yes, the size 6 mbt could have a size 10 gun or
something.

>  Also, I think the size should be relative depending on the game
> background played.  If the game is purely modern, then a Challenger
may
> well be a size 5 or 6, since it's one of the largest tanks in the
world
> currently.

why not just make it size 4 and say that there are no size 5 or 6
vehicles? i suppose you lose some resolution that way, but it seems a
bit
odd. i suppose a warrior or bradley has to be size 3: 2 inf teams,
rfac/1
in turret, two gms/l or one gms/h for bradley, 2 inf teams, rfac/2 in
turret and gms/l (latest models only) for warrior. by this logic, m1a1
and
challenger have to be at least size 4. they could have a turreted size 5
gun and some bonus armour, say.

>  But if some kind of futuistic/alien force is used alongside a
> more "modern" force, the size has to be scaled down accordingly.  e.g.
> make a Challenger a size 3 if the largest tanks available are huge
grav
> tanks.

right. i think that size 4 is a happy medium for modern mbts in ds2,
especially given the fact that you can't build a reasonable ifv in size
2.

> > and the gun on the Long Drive (what are modern chinese tanks
called?) is
> > even worse!
> 
> Type 90 II's are the latest I think...  These have the same 125mm
that's
> on T72/T80/T90's.

not so bad, then.

Tom