RE: Vector movement question was (Re: Movement types etc)

	There are probably ways to get around this without adding too
much more, 
if any, to the rules.
	You seem to have a problem of limited resources, so we will nix
the more 
attractive option (shooting the cheater).  For the clutz, I would ask
for 
clarification: is he a physical clutz, in that he fumbles the direction 
counter, or a mental clutz, in that he fumbles the procedure?  If
mental, 
where does he screw up?
	For the cheater, there are a few options.
	1) Direct confrontation.  Satisfying (not as much as gunfire,
but hey...) 
but it usually loses you a player.  Few cheaters can take their lumps
and 
reform - at least in the same game session.
	2) Indirect confrontation.  As somebody wise pointed out
earlier, have him 
move first.  This allows you to make a point without saying 'J'accuse'
to 
his face.  More likely to give him the point than...
	3) Collective Punishment.  Designate an umpire - all move orders
are 
turned over to that person, who then reads them out loud, and everybody 
 
moves their ships.  The ump reads his/hers first, and all orders are 
subject to scrutiny by any player (after they are turned in, of course).
 I 
call this 'Collective Punishment' because it does slow the game down for

everybody, but once you get used to it, it's not so bad.

Noah

-----Original Message-----
From:	Beth Fulton [SMTP:beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au]
Sent:	Wednesday, July 22, 1998 04:06 AM
To:	FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
Subject:	Vector movement question was (Re: Movement types etc)

G'day,

>
>In the vector rules for the FB, we state you should leave it - the 12
>courses are too granular for vector movement, though they ARE still
used
>for ship facing.
>
>Jon (GZG)
>

I stand corrected (as usual) :)
This now inspires another question (Yep I'm just full of them).
How do people indicate their courses in the vector version of FT?
So far we have:
a) The clock face counter system - which is now out (though it will
quite
probably be readopted, but under the form of 24 or 36 courses instead of
12
- I'll explain why in a minute)
b) The washer which clips onto the stand - nice idea
c) The arrow counters - which works if you don't play with a clutz or
someone who isn't strictly honest.

Any others?

Basically the reason I ask is that there is a sum total of 2 other
regular
FT players here (apart from my husband Derek and I) plus 2 guys that'll
come along very occasionally. Unfortunately one of the regulars is a
clutz
who has trouble with concepts he doesn't encounter everyday (and before
the
physicists start most people don't usually go around thinking of
themselves
in vector terms) and the other is very creative with his movement (Yeah
OK
he's very prone to cheating). Thus we were after a simple yet
essentially
tamper proof system of recording courses - that's why I think we'll
stick
with the counters and just bump the number upto 24 (maybe 36) as the
clutz
can cope with this and the other guy can't fiddle it easily. Sad I know,
but we have to work with what we've got. So I was just seeing what other
ideas people had come up with.

Oh and BTW, all this is under the understanding that when we venture
into
the great FT playing universe at large we leave all house rules
concerning
movement at home. Probably a redundant statement here I know, but it
wouldn't be the first time we've come across someone at a con who
expected
us to play their house rules as if they were "cannon".

Happy FTing,

Beth

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