Re: Blue Sky Thinking (was: Re: [GZG] re: Wanted)

[Mark Kinsey <Kinseym@xxxxxxx>]

I too am very excited at the prospect of a 15mm Company Level game. Not 
having a decent rules set is a barrier to rationalizing collecting more 
figs in this scale.

The game should move quickly, I'm talking Fistful of TOWS quick or 
Flames of War quick. I've played FOW games that had 8 companies on the 
table and moved rather quickly. Striker is not quick and the command and 
control rules for both Striker I and Striker II drive me to distraction. 
DS3 seems like a better solution, but it isn't published yet and 
infantry are just speed bumps.

So here's the problem as I see it. You need a game that is simple (read 
quick) so that you can play a multi company (1 defender, 2-3 attacker) 
game in 3 hours. But you're playing in 15mm, not 6mm so infantry needs 
to be more important. Plus it's hard scifi so the infantry *can't* be 
generic. The types of weapons (tech level) has to be taken into effect. 
Plus troop quality is still important so an infantry on infantry units 
strength would be some sort of index of weapon type/troop quality.

Fistful of TOWs has an interesting mechanism where even if a stand 
survives the hit it has to take a quality check. If it fails, the unit 
dissolves. The distinction between units destroyed vs. running away can 
be used for campaign games.

-Mark

Robert W. Eldridge wrote:
> I'm very enthused with the idea of a 15MM company level game. The only
> reason I haven't bought a lot of the 15MM figures already is because I
> didn't think there was a suitable game system for them.
>
> I'm a big fan of Flames of War and it works very well at the company level.
> If Jon can come up with something similar for the Sci-Fi world, it would be
> great.
>
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> > > > There are two great games out there for playing company-level games:
> > > > Dirtside and Striker.  They've already implemented the changes you
> > > > describe.
> > > >         
> > I've noticed, and fairly often heard comments from others that 
> > agree, that SG2 as written is at an odd level. A single platoon is 
> > too small for a good game--not enoughh maneuver units--but a company 
> > is too big to handle. You're left with games that are "two platoons 
> > vs a heavily-reinforced platoon" or some such. I think Stuart's 
> > suggestion gets SG out of the "halfway between the two logical 
> > command levels" quandry. As such, this is not about "what's the best 
> > company level game", it's about "tweaks to StarGrunt".
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> OK, let's get some opinions from the good people out there in
> gzg-list-land....
>
> This is completely hypothetical at this stage, but what would folks' 
> reactions be to the following ideas, at some point in the future when 
> I actually have time to write some new rules (ha!):
>
> 1) A squad to platoon level game with individual figures, more like 
> FMAS than SGII, for 25/28mm figs, typical force size 1 to 3 squads 
> per side, plus maybe a vehicle or two.
>
> PLUS....
>
> 2) Another system (let's call it SG3 for the sake of argument), aimed 
> at Company-level games with 15mm figs (useable with 25mm, but with 
> 15mm as the "recommended" scale), with group-based figures (3-4 to a 
> stand) and platoon-level activation for both infantry and vehicles.
>
> Discuss......  ;-)
>
> Jon (GZG)
>
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