Re: [GZG] DSIII q

[John K Lerchey <lerchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Grant,

We've been discussing the "impact marker" issue.  As OA has pointed out to 
me again and again, there shouldn't BE an impact marker that the enemy can 
see.  Sadly, because it's a game, and there has to be some way to track 
such things, we have to put something down.  There are ways to move the 
marker once it's played.  If it's being painted by an FO (guy with a laser 
or whatever), that player can move it around on his TCR within certain 
limits (that I don't want to go look up right now!).  Some munitions are 
self correcting and will look for signatures within an area and fire off 
at them.

I hadn't considered things like orbital lasers, but don't see any reason 
that such could not be used if your setting allowed for it.  I'll defer 
that to OA.

There is currently a TON of stuff in the artillery section, which is part 
of why I have been ignoring it until I'm much more comfortable with the 
main rules. :)  The infantry mortars would have been useless against 
vehicles and useful against infantry or other soft targets. :)

John

John K. Lerchey
Assistant Director for Incident Response
Information Security Office
Carnegie Mellon University

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Grant A. Ladue wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
>    Are there any provisions for "smart" or "brilliant" munitions, loitering
>  weapons, and orbital weapons (Thor and the like)?  Given the sci-fi setting
>  of the game, I'd like to see artillery that was a bit less like Vietnam era
>  weapons unless the mechanics are just to unwieldy.  How about orbital to
>  ground energy weapons?
>    I would think that with smart artillery rounds, there wouldn't be an impact
>  point to warn the other guys before arrival.  If they're necessary, are they
>  reasonably maneuverable?  Either way, perhaps the artillery side should be
>  able to place "dummies" that keep the other side guessing as to where the
>  actual artillery will land?
>
>    I imagine you haven't worked a lot of it out yet, so many of the questions
>  may not have answers yet.  I'm just as curious as heck about this part of it.
>
>    Hmm, as I re-read your response below, I'm realizing that you only meant
>  that the infantry mortars were basically useless against armor.  At least, I
>  hope that's what you meant.  :-)
>
>
>  grant
>
> > Well, since you asked.  I can give you the basics, and will leave out
> > the myriad of guidance systems and such.
> >
> > The artillery can be called in as part of an active firefight, or an FO
> > can start a firefight by calling in artillery.  (I'll get some of this a
> > little wrong as the artillery section is not fully worked out). The FO
> > places an impact marker, just as per DSII.  If the artillery is on
> > table, it comes in on the following TCR - allowing the targets to
> > attempt to flee the beaten zone.  Note that with correctable munitions,
> > and with infantry only moving at 0.5mu Combat Move, they won't always
> > get out. :)  If the artillery is off table, it's put into a "zone"; each
> > zone requiring a full TCR for the rounds to pass through.  So, if you
> > have a battery in zone 3, and place an impact marker on TCR 2, the
> > impact occurs on TCR 5.  Not terribly useful unless you're targeting a
> > position (hill, revetment, etc.) or have the enemy well pinned and
> > unable to move.
> >
> > The damage is figured depending on what kind of munitions you used.
> > Since the artillery is designed as a normal non-energy weapon with a
> > high elevation weapon mount, and ARTY-FCS, it can fire whatever kinds of
> > rounds the normal gun does. So MDCs lay in MDC fire.  HVCs can fire KE,
> > HEAT, HE, Shrapnel, etc.  The infantry mortars that the Order had in the
> > game were LVC/0.5s (low velocity cannon).  Pretty much useless against
> > armor (rolling impact die * 0.5 even against top armor is asking a
> > lot!), and they only had HE, Shrapnel, and smoke.  So their best shot
> > against your tanks would have gotten them a D6/2 for impact.
> >
> > Against infantry, however, especially if they can catch them out in the
> > open, it's a different story. :)
> >
> > That's the basics.  A lot of work (potentially) goes into the design of
> > your ammo loads, but once you're playing, it's not that hard to resolve. :)
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > Grant A. Ladue wrote:
> > > > Grant,
> > >    I have to admit that I've very curious as to how the artillery blends into
> > >  firefights.
> > >
> > >   grant
> > >
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