Re: [GZG] DSIII

["Grant A. Ladue" <ladue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

  John,

    No problem.  It is entirely possible that my perception was off because it
  was only a single scenario and we didn't see some of the underlying
  elements.  It seemed to me that my K'hif (sp?) were rolling d6's to hit for
  the green units and d10's for the orange.  I didn't notice a modifier based 
  on FCS.  Was it built in, or were we doing it wrong?  I guess I thought we
  were using 3) below, but since it was Sunday morning and all I didn't really
  give it too much thought at the time.  I quite imagine that I misinterpreted
  something.
  
    Your "iron sights being obsolete" comment below also reminds me about 
  another thought.  Iron sights really aren't completely obsolete are they?
  Pretty much any modern direct fire (non-missile) system can still fire in a
  degraded manner even when its fcs is down.  It seems to me that the 
  "targeting systems down" result for a damaged unit is a bit too damaging.
  Perhaps the tsd result should remove the fcs bonus and allow the unit to fire
  at one (perhaps two) less than it's quality die.

    I apologize in advance if all this has been passed around before (and I
  imagine it has), and I admit that my inexperience with this may invalidate my
  opinion.  :-)  In any case, I think the firefight issue is the biggest one
  in terms of making the game playable, especially at conventions.  I think it
  is important to minimize issues that can cause a player to be basically 
  uninvolved for most of the duration of the game.


  grant

> 
> Grant,
> 
> Thanks for posting the comments.  I'm only going to respond to one issue, 
> so I'm cutting out the other parts to save space. :)
> 
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Grant A. Ladue wrote:
> 
> > 	Using unit quality to determine your base firing dice doesn't seem
> > 	right to either of us.  Should a green unit with high tech sighting
> > 	systems really be much worse than an elite unit with iron sights?  We
> > 	felt it would be better to buy a targeting system for the unit and use
> > 	the quality of the unit to modify it.  Green down 1 dice, Blue even,
> > 	Orange up 1 dice.
> >
> 
> This has been discussed at some length by various folks, and various 
> "resolutions" were looked at.  Basically, I see a few ways of doing this:
> 
> 1) The FCS is the controlling factor, period. (per DSII)
> 2) The FCS is the controlling factor, modified by unit quality (per you 
> and Dave)
> 3) The QD is the controlling factor, peroid.  (ok, that's just stupid)
> 4) The QD is the controlling factor, modified by FCS. (current DS3)
> 
> Your example above is not really valid.
> 
> Green unit with high tech sighting: D6 base, +2 QD brings it to D10.
> Elite unit with "iron sights": D10 base, -1 QD shift brings it to D8.
> 
> The green unit is better in this case.  Iron sights are obsolete in a DS 
> setting, BTW.  Basic sights would have decent optics, floating mounts to 
> allow tracking during movement, etc.
> 
> But I'm just being picky here. :)
> 
> My counter-stance is that a green unit is trained, but has NO experience. 
> Under the stress of battle they still have to THINK about how to lay the 
> sights, make sure they get the right ammo loaded, look for the right 
> targets, etc. None of it is "ingrained".  In the short time that it takes 
> to acquire and lay fire onto a target, even minor delays can be critical.
> 
> The elite crew, OTOH, has not only practiced the procedures over and over 
> again, but they a) don't have to apply conscious effort to performing 
> basic tasks, b) operate as a well-oiled unit, enabling them to operate 
> without miscommunication, false expectations of their mates, etc.
> 
> While this can be argued either way for vehicle crews, it falls apart when 
> you look at infantry.  For infantry, quality is IT.  The GZG-verse doesn't 
> have smart small arms rounds that track targets and correct mistakes.  You 
> might have somewhat better firepower, or more impact, but getting the 
> fire where it needs to be is HUGELY impacted by the units quality.
> 
> I don't want to see a system where the base firing die is determined one 
> way for vehicles and another for infantry.  That just gets too confusing.
> 
> GZG has made a history of mapping the command chit color to dice.  I 
> *like* this aspect of the game systems - it's totally unique to GZG from 
> what I've seen.
> 
> I'm sure that others who are playtesting DS3 will see your posts, so maybe 
> you'll get some other points of view.  The comments are good, and I (at 
> least - I can't speak for others) appreciate them.  Just wanted to point 
> out that folks have been down that road before...
> 
> :)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John
> 
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