Re: [GZG] [DSII] Precision Strike

[Ryan Gill <rmgill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 5:59 PM +0200 8/2/05, Oerjan Ariander wrote:
>I think so, yes. Aircraft should be able to attack from above the "less-than-theater" AA's range, but at greatly reduced accuracy. Exactly what altitude would be "safe" from the MADS and lesser systems will vary with time - today it is around 15,000', tomorrow it will no doubt be higher; but if the MADS can only reach 120mu *horisontally* it won't be able to reach much further *vertically*... so there will always be an altitude above which you need even bigger AA weapons than MADS to hit the high-flying aircraft.

Are BUFF style Strikes Modeled into DSII at all? I'd always assumed the "high" level was several thousand feet, not 15,000. "hey look at the pretty contrails..."*BOOOM*

>When they have weapon ranges of 10-15 kilometers, they are most definitely *not* covered by DS2's "ZAD" (aka "ADS") system (which only has a range of 2.4 km). These 10-15 km ranges do however very nicely bracket the very range you specified for your "MADS" system...

Ok, what's an All in one ~120mu type all in one system? Rapier? Chaparel? Aren't those short ranged? SLAMRAAM?

Do you want to have a size slide with superiority so you can put your superior system in one chassis with the launcher? Sounds like there needs to be a technical level as well. DSII has generally assumed increased capability was bigger and more expensive. How are you lads going to do that in DSIII and keep it elegant and un-Battle-Techish?

>Sure, but in DS terms all that means is that you get an opposed die roll between the missile's Guidance Quality and the radar's ECM level. It doesn't say squat about what die size the radar's ECM has to use - it could still range from "None" (D4) all the way up to "Superior" (D10) :-)

Guidance quality die vs target size die (modified by stealth and emissions)
			and target ECM die

>Nope. Nowadays emitting *doesn't* necessarily reveal your position, at least not if your ECM capabilities are better than the enemy's. Modern radars can also be *very* low-powered and still get astonishingly good returns; cf. eg. the claimed detection ranges for the F-22's radar system compared to the ranges where said radar's emissions can be detected by older aircraft.

Aren't modern systems effectively proof against some of the older tech barring an operator that's asleep? ie mostly automated and fast? Its kind of like DF gear that can DF a signal as soon as the radio transmits a burst. Also, if your tech level is capable of making heads and tails of a low power emission, then the equivalent tech level is capable of making heads or tails of your emissions which will have similar strength. Unless your emitter has a really huge receiver array in which case you've got a honking big target die.

>In the future it can get even more interesting: the next generation of AA tracking systems will most likely be passive ones which don't need to emit *anything* towards the enemy aircraft. (No, I'm not kidding: similar passive tracking systems are already entering service on combat aircraft.) Their launch units will still need to emit guidance signals to the missiles, but those signals can be very tight-beam and only need to intersect with the target aircraft just before the missile hits... leaving very for ARMs to lock on to even if they aren't spoofed by anything.

Then they're not emitting anything and it's high resolution passive sensors in other words. Kind of a different animal. Hard to have an ARm if you don't emit. But, once you get a fixed target point, a floating PGM can then be tasked with hitting that fixed point that revealed itself. This level of fencing seems beyond the ARM/Anti-ARM game.
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