Re: [GZG] [DSII] Precision Strike

[Ryan Gill <rmgill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 5:27 PM +0200 8/1/05, Oerjan Ariander wrote:
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>They look OK-ish as long as you only intend to fight battles set in 1991 or earlier, but they're far too tied to DS2's ADS rules - which themselves only really represent SPAAGs from the 1970s and earlier, ie. the kind of AAA available during the Vietnam war - to model even the later 1990s very well.

Yeah...well, I wrote them to go along with the flow....

>Considering that even the original HAWK system had a range of 25 km, that the later HAWK models have a range of *40* km, and that you've listed "SA-6" both in the "MADS equivalent" *and* the "not-to-be-confused-with-MAD" categories, I suspect that you may have to polish your list of examples a little :-/

Typo....There are a bunch in the web version too. I wrote them hoping to get comments and I think posted them to the list way back when....Then got busy with other things then never looked at it....I know laserlight or someone referred to the page way back when....ack it was back in '99 that I last updated that page....

>Today's "MADS equivalents" have a *maximum* altitude as well - typcially around 15,000'. In order to engage targets flying higher than that, you need the theater-level stuff.

Should the altitude limit apply in DSII/III terms?


>No, they don't (not if you're serious about the "120mu range" bit, anyway). There are several "MADS equivalent" systems today which have all systems collected on a single vehicle. They *can* be split up into multiple units, but they don't *have* to be.

They tend to require multiple units, however aren't those more in the range of being covered by the ZAD systems? Given that the method of fire is a bit abstracted (ground fire allowed, etc).

>>Only one Sensor element may be active for a given set of Launcher elements. If it is destroyed by ARM fire, the MADS unit may switch over to an alternate Sensor element if available.
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>This implies that if the sensor is destroyed by some *other* means than ARM fire, the MADS unit *can't* switch over to an alternate sensor element. Intentional?

Picky picky. Any destruction of course allows a swap of command if available. I suppose there's a timing issue. Perhaps if it's part of another unit it needs an activation to bring its sensors online if not.

>>A MADS's search and tracking radars emit radiation just like an ADS. Thus each elements' signatures are effectively 1 larger and Stealth/ECM systems are ineffective.
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>This is one of the most 1970s bits of the entire DS2 rules set. While this was true during the 'Nam and Yom Kippur wars, it wasn't true for Serb AA units during the NATO bombings of Kosovo, it isn't true today, and I kinda doubt that it'll become much truer in the future. Modern radars can play quite a few interesting tricks on incoming ARMs, and all those tricks definitely fall in the "ECM" category.

Well, sure, but don't systems like AALARM have some of their own sneaky things? I'd expect that with faster ARMs and better sensor resolution, that once you emit and stay in the same place, you're more likely to be toasted? Though, I can see your point, does High end ECM always trump high end Active Emissions? What level of emissions aren't going to increase your signature to the other guys? Does something with total emcon vs something with active search emissions have the same signature even with all the cat spinning and ecm additions? How to compensate for that? Have two die rolls? Have the ARM roll against a primary die of signature and have ECM as a secondary die? Presumably the ECM can spoof the ARM away, but if that doesn't work you get shredded (or at least the antenna does).
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