Re: SGII And Points

[agoodall@xxxxxxx]

Glen wrote:

> In [gag, choke, gasp] defense of some of the reportedly better aspects of
> the company's efforts, I have not seen Epic or Rogue Trader rules which
> some people, who are superficially sane at least, report as good
> products.  

I have _Rogue Trader_. It has problems. It uses a "move then fire" sequence that many serious wargame designers considered obsolete in the late 70s, let alone a decade later. There are no penalties for moving then firing. There are no opportunity fire rules (which were later called "overwatch" rules, and added in a White Dwarf issue). There are no command/control rules, other than the fact that the leader of the squad is your best guy. I can't remember if there were rules for cover, but I think there were.

However, they resulted in a fun skirmish game. I converted the system by adding overwatch rules and a modified _Squad Leader_ turn sequence (which didn't allow you to move if you fired in the Prep Fire phase). This worked well, and gave a fast paced game. Okay, leaders were still too powerful, and there was no command/control, but the game was fun. 

The main problem was the same as with any wargame: players tended to fight bigger battles with it than were reasonable. Then it fell into the arms race spiral, where new figures were more powerful and began to rule the game. I still have a copy of the rules (in a binder, as the book fell apart) but I finally sold off all of my figures, including my beloved space dwarves.

I liked the original _Space Marine_ and still have it, though I haven't played it in ages. I'm keeping the figures for use in DS2. Oerjan actually likes _Epic 40K_, so that's piqued my interest in picking up the rules. 

> And I have collected a few fantasy human figures in grab bags
> that were identified as possibly 'early' GW figures that were fairly
> reasonable.

Yes, those old Citadel figures were well priced and pretty good basic fantasy figures. I sold off all of those, too! *L*

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